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  • #61
    This knowledge is not new as you will see:

    The Law of Octaves was first suggested by Pythagoras in ancient Greece. Having observed that the eight notes of the conventional Occidental musical scale were governed by definite mathematical relationships, Pythagoras proceeded to create a whole cosmology based on 8s. In this octagonal model Pythagoras made numerous mistakes, because he was generalizing from insufficient data. However, his work was the first attempt in history to unify science, mathematics, art and mysticism into one comprehensible system and as such is still influential. Leary, Crowley and Buckminster Fuller have all described themselves as modern Pythagoreans....
    ... In the 1860s, English chemist John Newland showed that all the chemical elements fall into eight families. Since Pythagorean mysticism was unfashionable at that time, Newland was literally laughed at and rejected by the Royal Chemical Society. In the 1870s, with much more detail than Newland, the Russian chemist Mendeleyev proved once and for all that the elements do, indeed, fall into eight families. His Periodic Table of the Elements, an octave of hauntingly Pythagorean harmony, hangs in every high-school chemistry class today. (The Royal Society later apologized to Newland and gave him a Gold Medal.)
    Nikolai Tesla invented the alternating current generator which unleashed the modern technological revolution after a series of visions in which, among other things, Tesla "saw" that everything in the universe obeys a law of Octaves.
    The Octave of Energy

    We have already seen that Nikola Tesla, in the visions from which he deduced the mechanism of alternating current, also intuited a basic law of Octaves governing universal energy.
    | Robert Anton Wilson, 1977
    and we're back to fractal/fractal frequencies....



    Last edited by MonsieurM; 07-03-2011, 01:25 AM.
    Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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    • #62
      I found this very insightful :

      Cycles, fractal patterns, and exponential functions
      If you want to understand the world as a system then you need to investigate three key components.

      Cycles
      Fractal patterns
      Exponential functions


      Here are some of the authors I have studied

      Fred Harrison(18 year land price cycle)
      Nokolai Kondratieff (60 year price/debt cycle)
      Oswald Spengler - book: "The Decline of the West" (1500-2000 civilisation cycles)
      Martin Armstrong (8.6 year PI cycle, fractal patterns)
      Robert Prechter (Elliott waves, fractal patterns, 300 years)
      Chris Martenson (exponential functions, 10,000 years)
      Most authors try and model the world with only one of these components. Martin Armstrong was the exception as he used 2 components (cycles and fractal patterns)

      Winston Churchill said, "The further back you look, the further forward you can see."

      So why not create a model that incorporates all three components and goes back as far as the Big Bang.
      -------

      magnetic fractals

      The software I use (FractInt) has this to say about magnetic fractals:
      These fractals use formulae derived from the study of hierarchical lattices, in the context of magnetic renormalisation transformations. This kinda stuff is useful in an area of theoretical physics that deals with magnetic phase-transitions (predicting at which temperatures a given substance will be magnetic, or non-magnetic). In an attempt to clarify the results obtained for real temperatures (the kind that you and I can feel), the study moved into the realm of Complex Numbers, aiming to spot Real phase-transitions by finding the intersections of lines representing Complex phase-transitions with the Real Axis. The first people to try this were two physicists called Yang and Lee, who found the situation a bit more complex than first expected, as the phase boundaries for Complex temperatures are (surprise!) fractals.
      One gets the feeling that perhaps FractInt's authors don't understand the science behind it any more than I do, but don't have any objections to using the formulae to make fractals. And here those formulae are:
      Magnetic Fractals

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      http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/p...a6cecb984d1f16

      Fractals Hint at Higher Universal Laws
      by junglelord »
      What seemed to be flaws in the structure of a mystery metal may have given physicists a glimpse into as-yet-undiscovered laws of the universe.

      The qualities of a high-temperature superconductor — a compound in which electrons obey the spooky laws of quantum physics, and flow in perfect synchrony, without friction — appear linked to the fractal arrangements of seemingly random oxygen atoms.

      Those atoms weren’t thought to matter, especially not in relation to the behavior of individual electrons, which exist at a scale thousands of times smaller. The findings, published Aug. 12 in Nature, are a physics equivalent of discovering a link between two utterly separate dimensions.

      “We don’t know the theory for this,” said physicist Antonio Bianconi of Rome’s Sapienza University. “We just make the experimental observation that the two worlds seem to interfere.”


      Unlike semiconductors, the metals on which modern electronics rely, superconductors allow electrons to pass through without resistance. Rather than bouncing haphazardly, the electrons’ movements are perfectly synchronized. They flow like a fluid, but without viscosity.

      For most of the 20th century, this was possible only in certain extremely pure metals at temperatures approaching absolute zero, cold enough to quench all motion but that of quantum particles, which interact with each other in ways that defy the classic laws of space and time.

      Then, in the mid-1980s, physicists Karl Muller and Johannes Bednorz discovered a class of ceramic compounds in which superconductivity was possible at much higher temperatures. The temperatures were still hundreds of degrees Fahrenheit below zero, but it wasn’t even thought possible.

      Muller and Bednorz soon won a Nobel Prize, but subsequent decades and thousands of researchers have not yielded a theory of high-temperature superconductivity. “High temperatures should destroy the quantum phenomenon,” said Bianconi, who decided to investigate another odd property of these materials: They’re not quite regular. Oxygen atoms roam inside, and assume random positions as they freeze.

      “Everyone was looking at these materials as ordered and homogeneous,” said Bianconi. That is not the case — but neither, he found, was the position of oxygen atoms truly random. Instead, they assumed complex geometries, possessing a fractal form: A small part of the pattern resembles a larger part, which in turn resembles a larger part, and so on.

      “Such fractals are ubiquitous elsewhere in nature,” wrote Leiden University theoretical physicist Jan Zaanen in an accompanying commentary, but “it comes as a complete surprise that crystal defects can accomplish this feat.”

      If what Zaanen described as “surprisingly beautiful” patterns were all Bianconi found, the results would have been striking enough. But they appear to have a function.

      In Bianconi’s samples, larger fractals correlated with higher superconductivity temperatures. When the fractal disappeared at a distance of 180 micrometers, superconductivity appeared at 32 degrees Kelvin. When it vanished at 400 micrometers, conductivity went quantum at 42 degrees Kelvin.

      At -384 degrees Fahrenheit, that’s still plenty cold, but it’s heading towards the truly high-temperature superconductivity that Bianconi describes as “the dream” of his field, making possible miniature supercomputers that run at everyday temperatures.

      However, while the arrangement of oxygen atoms appears to influence the quantum behaviors of electrons, neither Bianconi nor Zaanen have any idea how that could be. That fractal arrangements are seen in so many other systems — from leaf patterns to stock market fluctuations to the frequency of earthquakes — suggests some sort of common underlying laws, but these remain speculative.

      “This fractal defect structure is astonishing, and there is nothing in the textbooks even hinting at an explanation.”

      If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.
      — Nikola Tesla

      Casting Out the Nines from PHI into Indigs reveals the Cosmic Harmonic Code.
      — Junglelord.
      Knowledge is Structured in Consciouness. Structure and Function Cannot Be Seperated.
      — Junglelord

      junglelord

      Inexplicable Superconductor Fractals Hint at Higher Universal Laws | Wired Science | Wired.com

      Last edited by MonsieurM; 07-03-2011, 03:40 PM.
      Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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      • #63
        From a previous post:

        Garret Lisi explains E8 Geometry

        starts at 1min30

        YouTube - Garret Lisi explains E8 Geometry

        after you have watched the vid, some figures you saw must have reminded you of Rodin Coil and the smoke rings i talked about and the table found in the blog :
        The Philosopher Stoned which is:

        the Law of Crystallization provided by Walter Russell in his magnum opus The Universal One (stop at 3min28).


        Compare Dr Lisi's theory with this old Russian doc:


        YouTube - ‪Resonance energy. Part 3 / Сила резонанŃ�Đ°. ЧаŃ�Ń‚ŃŚ 3‬‏

        I found some info on the russian doc: (unfortunately translated)

        Heck, I once again carried the whole brain!
        I get it! All this was! People flew in flying saucers, who worked at cross-resonators, mogendovidobraznyh, svastikoobraznyh and even involute snails, in a format which is a mathematical progression, which is used for calculating universal relation golden ratio: 1.618
        Äćčíńîâűé ôîđóě Ęîńňđîěű / Ńčëŕ đĺçîíŕíńŕ

        in part 4 of the doc (at 2:32 min) you'll see a similar looking device to Schauberger's Repulsine
        also you'll see many fractal shapes

        please watch part 4 at 5.00 min, let me know what you make of it
        Last edited by MonsieurM; 07-04-2011, 12:09 AM.
        Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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        • #64
          this here is a complement reading for those that want to understand how earth system is fractal.....

          Fractal Behaviour of the Earth System [Hardcover]
          V.P. Dimri


          The book fills a gap in the steadily expanding field of applying fractals to the earth science system. In this book the concept of fractal-scaling is applied to a variety of geophysical problems, illustrating what scaling laws really tell us and how they can used to solve various geophysical problems. Keeping in mind the broad range of readers interested in understanding earth’s nonlinear dynamics, the authors address diverse recent advances related to fractals and scaling. These include broad applications of fractal theory in potential field methods, electrical and electromagnetic methods, geothermics and seismology, written by a panel of internationally known earth scientists from around the globe.
          Amazon.com: Fractal Behaviour of the Earth System (9783540265320): V.P. Dimri: Books


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          A Random Walk Through Fractal Dimensions by Brian H. Kaye

          Fractal geometry is revolutionizing the descriptive mathematics of applied materials systems. Rather than presenting a mathematical treatise, Brian Kaye demonstrates the descriptive power of fractal geometry in describing materials ranging from Swiss cheese to pyrolytic graphite. The second edition of this successful book provides important literature coverage of the use of fractal geometry in all areas of science
          Amazon.com: A Random Walk Through Fractal Dimensions (9783527290789): Brian H. Kaye: Books

          a classic reading for all Fractal enthusiast:

          The Fractal Geometry of Nature [Hardcover]
          Benoit B. Mandelbrot


          Amazon.com: The Fractal Geometry of Nature (9780716711865): Benoit B. Mandelbrot: Books

          enjoy....


          Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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          • #65
            I have been talking about Fractal structure and fractal frequancies but there was one concept i haven't talked about:

            FRACTAL RESONANCE: i found this:

            Richard Weaver, New Directions in Linear Acoustics and Vibration: Quantum Chaos, Random Matrix Theory and Complexity

            Linear acoustics was thought to be fully encapsulated in physics texts of the 1950s, but this view has been changed by developments in physics during the last four decades. There is a significant new amount of theory that can be used to address problemsi n linear acoustics and vibration, but only a small amount of reported work does so. This book is an attempt to bridge the gap between theoreticians and practitioners, as well as the gap between quantum and acoustic. Tutorial chapters provide introductions to each of the major aspects of the physical theory and are written using the appropriate terminology of the acoustical community. The book will act as a quick-start guide to the new methods while providing a wide-ranging introduction to the physical concepts
            Last edited by MonsieurM; 07-10-2011, 11:13 PM.
            Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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            • #66
              from: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post147364

              Originally posted by gravityblock View Post
              MonsieurM and Gene, Thanks for the information on the ormus and the fractals. Tesla did a lot research and experiments into sound and vibrations. Below are just a few quotes by him. I think we have over-looked the main operating principals in some of his devices, which is sound and vibrations.

              ]Tesla Sees Evidence Radio and Light Are Sound[/URL] (Page 2)
              thank you gravityblock for this info:

              this is exactly what i've been trying to point out and i truly believe that he understood that sound is just a "first dimension fractal " of the other electromagnetic waves (remember the universe is fractal )... meaning that all electromagnetic waves are fractally connected to each other. and the link connecting them is vibration frequency

              Originally Posted by Tesla
              "I consider this extremely important," said Mr. Tesla. "Light cannot be anything else but a longitudinal disturbance in the ether, involving alternate compressions and rarefactions. In other words, light can be nothing else than a sound wave in the ether."

              "a first degree fractal" design" (vertical figure) (this is just an illustration of what i just said )



              as above so below...again

              Fractal resonance is the cause and Spacial resonance is the effect
              or the electromagnetic spectrum is also a Fractal/Constructal system

              in other words Fractal Systems are the Universe's Hidden Engine

              Last edited by MonsieurM; 07-14-2011, 07:05 PM.
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              • #67
                We have already seen that Nikola Tesla, in the visions from which he deduced the mechanism of alternating current, also intuited a basic law of Octaves governing universal energy.
                | Robert Anton Wilson, 1977
                That quote remembers me to Searl's Law of Squares. Maybe is some relation?
                John Searl Solution : The Law of the Squares

                Also, there is some similarity with vorticular physics and Sympathethic Vibratory Physics.
                Last edited by AetherScientist; 07-13-2011, 08:56 AM.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by AetherScientist View Post
                  That quote remembers me to Searl's Law of Squares. Maybe is some relation?
                  John Searl Solution : The Law of the Squares

                  Also, there is some similarity with vorticular physics and Sympathethic Vibratory Physics.
                  Thank you AetherScientist for this new info, i will definitely check it out , magik square that is ... in the mean time you should check out this post :

                  http://www.energeticforum.com/145702-post58.html

                  and The Philosopher Stoned

                  I would recommend you read the whole thread, you'll find quite a bit of interesting info
                  Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by MonsieurM View Post
                    Thank you AetherScientist for this new info, i will definitely check it out , magik square that is ... in the mean time you should check out this post :

                    http://www.energeticforum.com/145702-post58.html

                    and The Philosopher Stoned

                    I would recommend you read the whole thread, you'll find quite a bit of interesting info
                    thanks, I'm reading it.
                    check this too: Amazon.com: The Cosmic Octave: Origin of Harmony, Planets, Tones, Colors, the Power of Inherent Vibrations (9780940795204): Cousto: Books

                    About the picture of "a better..." maybe the geometries of the chemical elements are related to "cymatics". A combination of longitudinal frequencies can create complex geometries and structures. Remember that each chemical has its own "scalar signature". That means, a multi-frequency pattern of electric fields.
                    Last edited by AetherScientist; 07-13-2011, 12:05 PM.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by AetherScientist View Post
                      thanks, I'm reading it.
                      check this too: Amazon.com: The Cosmic Octave: Origin of Harmony, Planets, Tones, Colors, the Power of Inherent Vibrations (9780940795204): Cousto: Books

                      About the picture of "a better..." maybe the geometries of the chemical elements are related to "cymatics". A combination of longitudinal frequencies can create complex geometries and structures. Remember that each chemical has its own "scalar signature". That means, a multi-frequency pattern of electric fields.
                      i 'll refer you to this thread: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...phenomena.html

                      i did a research on magic square and ended up in a site, hold and behold, talking about fractals in nature

                      Magic Squares

                      Another source of transcendent proportion is based upon an arrangement of numerials within adjoining squares such that their total adds to the same value in each column; vertically, horizontally and diagonally.
                      "Patterns of Nature" Sacred geometry, Phi, Fibonacci Number




                      A combination of longitudinal frequencies can create complex geometries and structures. Remember that each chemical has its own "scalar signature".
                      Indeed, As i mention in all my post, in layman terms "everything is fractal", considering this simple statement, you would imagine that every apparent law that controls the universe are just an effect example:spatial resonance, behind them lies the true cause: example Fractal Resonance.

                      see also: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-crystals.html

                      Now let's consider this the electromagnetic spectrum is also a Fractal/Constructal system





                      in that case it should obey the same law as all fractal/constructal system:

                      The constructal law puts forth the idea that the generation of design (configuration, pattern, geometry) in nature is a physics phenomenon that unites all animate and inanimate systems, and that this phenomenon is covered by the Constructal Law stated by Adrian Bejan in 1996: "For a finite-size (flow) system to persist in time (to live), its configuration must evolve such that it provides easier access to the imposed currents that flow through it."
                      in other words, it should obey the


                      E=M3/4

                      It is called Kleiber's Law.

                      It states that the energy needed by an organism/element at rest (not doing any specific exercise), is not proportional to its mass, but sub-linear.

                      It can be attributed to many factors and one of them is that the more massive an organism/element/wave is, the less surface per volume it present. If the organism is represented par a sphere of diameter D, volume scale with D^3, but surface scales with D^2. But energy produced by the body is proportional to volume, while energy lost is proportional to external surface.

                      To sum up, a little body loose a lot of heat and its little body can not sustain it. Therefore there is a lower limit to the size of hot blooded animals, which is bigger than the one for cold blooded ones.
                      watch this video

                      YouTube - ‪Fractals: frequency, the heart, and cancer‬‏

                      the same holds true for the table of Elements

                      see post#23 http://www.energeticforum.com/147095-post23.html
                      Last edited by MonsieurM; 07-13-2011, 09:43 PM.
                      Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                      • #71
                        about post#37 http://www.energeticforum.com/138939-post37.html

                        Check this out http://www.energeticforum.com/147488-post98.html

                        and Vedic Science seems to agree with me

                        watch this 9 min doc....

                        ‪Greatness Of The Vedic Vedas Knowledge Perfect Science Part 3 of 6‬‏ - YouTube

                        Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                        • #72
                          A combination of longitudinal frequencies can create complex geometries and structures. Remember that each chemical has its own "scalar signature".
                          Indeed, As i mention in all my post, in layman terms "everything is fractal", considering this simple statement, you would imagine that behind every apparent law that controls the universe are just an effect example:spatial resonance, lies the true cause: ie Fractal Resonance.
                          a better way of saying it is "everything is fractal", considering this simple statement, you would imagine that [B]behind every apparent law that controls the universe is a fractal/constructal system

                          Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                          • #73
                            I posted this a while back but it looks like a essential info in the quest of understanding

                            http://www.energeticforum.com/144952-post53.html

                            side note

                            From the info I have posted so far (and if you do a little research ), you 'll see that there is a trend that appears, and that is for every fractal structure you have seen in nature/universe, the presence of water comes hand in hand
                            Last edited by MonsieurM; 07-14-2011, 01:50 PM.
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                            • #74
                              opened a new thread to explore the application of fractal in society also known as socionomics ( or The Wave Principle of Human Social Behavior )

                              http://www.energeticforum.com/genera...tml#post147603

                              Last edited by MonsieurM; 07-14-2011, 06:54 PM.
                              Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                              • #75
                                in other words Fractal Systems are the Universe's Hidden Engine
                                Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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