Nuclear Thorium Plasma Battery Victim of Technology Suppression?

[thx1138]

Perspective

To EYECU:

You were very irresponsible and unpatriotic to make public disclosures of classified and strategic technology - and even photos. I hope the admin of this site will delete these immediately!

Read the article at the following site. It is about the Clinton administration arranging for the sale of long range missile guidance technology to China against the advice of the Secretary of State, the CIA, and the Commerce Department. Johnny Chung got hung out to dry for the Chinese campaign contribution scandal but Gary Locke, who has family ties in China, completely flew under the radar at that time.

Scroll down to the part titled "The Democrats' Largest Contributor"

The China Connection Is the Real Scandal

Then while Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State the Chinese produced a replica of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. At the same time Leon Panetta, who was the White House Chief of Staff during the missile guidance technology transfer, was head of the CIA in the Obama administration and Gary Locke, who was a Democratic campaign contribution bundler during the Clinton administration, was the U.S. Ambassador to China who gained that position under Hillary Clinton.

Shortly after the Chinese replica of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter was disclosed there was a short lived story about Chinese hacking of defense contractors' computers. So are we to believe that the U.S. defense contractors are so incompetent as to leave classified plans on unprotected computers or would it be more likely that the Chinese acquired the plans for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter via Gary Locke's diplomatic pouch?

And you're worried about some guys working on things in their garages and posting on the internet?

[EYECU]

Fusion Is REAL Clean Green Energy - Thorium Plasma Battery

Okay, when we tried to say the thorium plasma battery is fusion/MHD hybrid energy about ten people here jumped down our throats saying fusion violates all rules of physics. Time to rewrite the rulebook fellas...

Lockheed Martin Claims Fusion Breakthrough That Could Change World Forever - Forbes

Why when Lockheed says it, you don't attack them as well?

[ren]

Saw this on reddit a few days ago. Was so funny to see all the "tech" heads change their tune in the comments section.

"Normally I wouldnt believe this but this is skunk works, it must be real!"

Its old news. The military is now rolling out all their suppressed tech, which probably means they are 20 years ahead of it already.

Funny how this announcement came a few weeks after Rossi's E-Cat got a third party verification and appears to transmute materials in the process.


Idiots.

[Matthew Jones]

And the price of oil has taken a dive. Regardless of the cost to certian countries. Makes you wonder.

Matt

[thx1138]

And the price of oil has taken a dive. Regardless of the cost to certian countries. Makes you wonder.

Matt

From the Forbes article: "Lockheed said in a statement that it would build a pilot fusion reactor in the next year.

If it works, the world will be a different place.

But in the meantime the emphasis should remain on the word 'if.'"

The price of oil fluctuates minute by minute. What's driving the price of oil down is a glut due to world wide sagging economies reducing demand and at the same time the U.S. oil and gas boom brought on by hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling supplying more and more petrochemicals into the market.

[Matthew Jones]

From the Forbes article: "Lockheed said in a statement that it would build a pilot fusion reactor in the next year.

If it works, the world will be a different place.

But in the meantime the emphasis should remain on the word 'if.'"

The price of oil fluctuates minute by minute. What's driving the price of oil down is a glut due to world wide sagging economies reducing demand and at the same time the U.S. oil and gas boom brought on by hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling supplying more and more petrochemicals into the market.

That is generally what the American news and Markets are saying but...
You better check your facts with the history of last couple of years, supply and demand have been pretty much equal to where they are now. Shale Gas production is down even though drilling is up.
The low price of oil right now is because the Saudi's are running a bargain basement sale to drive all the other markets under. Thats Tarsands, Shale, Shale oil and most deep sea operations. Its also a marginal stand on stopping Russia from moving into China to quick keeps their Natural Gas from competing. Kuwait is doing the same. Hmmm Out of all the oil producers besides the US who is most likely to be able to buy from Lockheed.

Matt

[RAMSET]

things are changing all around..

Mathew

Here is a bit more for the Mix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FilflaqbVI#t=3015.

Thx To Centraflow for the link/reminder .

Chet

[kenssurplus]

I was reading through a fairly large work on transmutation and alchemy and happened upon this about thorium. Found here:
Adept Alchemy (Robert Nelson): Cold Fusion Transmutations

Scientists at Europe's CERN facility also are experimenting with 'sub-critical" nuclear reactions (they cease when not being triggered by a linear accelerator) that curtail radioactivity. The proposed European system has been named "Energy Amplifier" by Carlo Rubbia, the Nobel Prize winning physicist who designed it. The CERN website offers this explanation for their efforts:

Intense linear accelerators would allow transmutation of long-lived nuclear waste which rapidly decays to become harmless or alternatively provide the beam which drives the Energy Amplifier, a failsafe form of nuclear reactor using relatively innocuous thorium as its fuel.

The CERN Energy Amplifier would work by inserting tubes of radioactive isotopes into a block of lead. Protons fired into the lead by a linear accelerator would generate high-energy neutrons that would fission the target waste. When the neutrons pass through the resonant energy levels of the target isotopes, they trigger transmutation reactions. The molten lead also would serve to cool the system by its passage through a heat exchanger, and the waste heat could be used to generate electricity. The corrosive lead will be bubbled with oxygen to allow the formation of a protective coat of oxide on the reactor walls. The system has been criticized as too complex, and to date the researchers have only performed simulations and conducted a few experiments on isolated aspects of the system. For example, the CERN scientists have transmuted Technetium-99 in a lead block.

The Americans and Europeans refuse to cooperate on the project; each group claims the other has copied their ideas. Fortunately, there are several other, simpler ways to solve the problem.

[kenssurplus]

Also from the same site:Adept Alchemy (Robert Nelson): Cold Fusion Transmutations

This about increasing thorium's radioactivity:

The radioactivity of elements also can be increased by relatively simple means. The German Dr. Alois Gaschler applied for a British patent in 1925 (Specification 239,509) for the enrichment of uranium:

"This invention relates to a process of and means for transforming elementary atoms particularly of uranium and thorium with a view to hasten their spontaneous disintegration and to increase their radioactivity, and the invention consists in subjecting small quantitites of the metal in a vaporizing chamber to very high pressure and temperature and in subjecting the vaporized metal vapour to the electrostatic or electrolytic effect of strong, preferably direct electric currents.

"Successful experiments have been made with an electric energy of about 100 kilowatt-seconds per gramme of uranium or thorium. The electric current can be used for the heating of the metal as weall as for the electric splitting up of the atoms.

"In order to generate a very high pressure during the heating of the metal and to obviate heat and light radiation as far as possible, a thin filament of metal, weighing about 1 gramme, is placed in a duct in a massive block of quartz or granite or other refractory mineral insulating substance. The two ends of the filament are extended through the block and clamped between two thick metal plates which at the same time act as closures for the duct. Terminals are provided on the metal plate for connection to the electric circuit. The duration of the individual electric shocks is generally about 1-2 seconds. After the conclusion of the process, the evaporated metal is recovered mechanically or chemically and will be found to be much more radioactive than the original substance.

"The more the separated metal vapour comes into contact with the pole surfaces and the higher the electric pressure, the greater is the transformation effect. It is advisable, therefore, to employ a heating circuit of low voltage and high amperage, and a separate electrolyzing circuit of relatively low amperage and high voltage. For this purpose a pair of electrodes having a large surface is arranged in the vaporizing chamber and connected to the high-pressure circuit which, in order to produce a high resistance, includes a Crooke's or Geissler tube.

"When artificial metals are to be produced on a large scale, the use of a filament is not practicable as it requires too frequent replacement. It is therefore better to supply metallic vapour through a valve into the space containing the electric arc and to withdraw it therefrom in the same way."

Dr. Gaschler gave more details of his process in an article published in the journal Nature:

"The behavior of uranium and thorium and their salts in the electric arc and in the glow discharge has been examined. In no case could there be observed an alteration in the radioactivity or in the chemical activity. A perceptible transmutation effect was, however, unexpectedly found when strong rushes of momentary high-tension currents were sent through a narrow fused quartz tube provided with tungsten electrodes and containing mercury and uranium oxide. The tube was fixed vertically in a stand, so that the mercury filled the lower part of the tube and one tungsten electrode was completely covered by it. On the surface of the mercury was a relatively thin coating of uranium oxide which had been carefully freed from radioactive by-products, especially from uranium-X, before it was introduced into the quartz tube. The sparking distance between the tungsten electrode and the mercury-uranium oxide electrode was about 15 cm. The intensity of the electric discharge varied between 0.3 and 0.4 amps.

"Under the influence of repeated electric discharges during about 30 hours, relatively strong and increasing radioactivity [b and l rays] showed itself. The b and l ray activity varied between 1.4 and 20 times the radioactivity of an equally large amount of uranium oxide in equilibrium with its decay products, and increased proportionally to the energy applied and to the time.

"One obtains an even greater proportion of uranium X if one makes the electric discharges pass within a thick-sided quartz or porcelain vessel between a tungsten point and mercury covered with a thin coat of vaseline and uranium oxide. This coating possesses such a high electric resistance that, even when applying the highest tensions which can be obtained, one is obliged to diminish greatly the sparking distance in order to obtain a discharge. This proceeding offers the advantage that the energy is concentrated into a very small space. Consequently one can show, after half an hour’s work, the production of relatively large quantities of uranium X.

"The production of uranium X considerably in excess of that produced by spontaneous decay is to be explained only by the fact that, under the influence of the electric force, an acceleration of the radioactive transmutation of uranium takes place." (23)

[kenssurplus]

missing cell-phone battery post

Hi all,

I was re-reading through this thread trying to find the specific post that talked about the cell-phone that contained the thorium battery which would never need a recharge. In the post it showed a picture of the phone, as well as some mfg sellingpoints (I thought). Anyway the post continued by stating that the phone was announced, with the promo picture but that it has been withdrawn and can no longer be found. I cannot find it in this thread. Does any-one here remember that post, the contents, or the whereabouts of that information?

I find it sad indeed that evidences of the technology are systematically swept under the rug.

Thanks in advance.
ken

[thx1138]

Hi all,

I was re-reading through this thread trying to find the specific post that talked about the cell-phone that contained the thorium battery which would never need a recharge. In the post it showed a picture of the phone, as well as some mfg sellingpoints (I thought). Anyway the post continued by stating that the phone was announced, with the promo picture but that it has been withdrawn and can no longer be found. I cannot find it in this thread. Does any-one here remember that post, the contents, or the whereabouts of that information?

I find it sad indeed that evidences of the technology are systematically swept under the rug.

Thanks in advance.
ken

I don't remember seeing that but there is this article about a strontium cell phone battery.
This nuclear battery could power your smartphone forever ? as long as you don?t value your life or sperm count too highly | ExtremeTech

"Thorium cells" are devices made from nuclear reactor fuel processing. Maybe that's what you are thinking of. Search that term and you'll find lots of info.

There are a number of ways to make nuclear powered batteries. The Voyager space craft that were launched in the 70's and are just now exiting the solar system use one type. They've been operating for 40 years or so with a few more years to go. That was 70's technology.
Radio isotope batteries

[kenssurplus]

missing cell phone battery post - found

Hi all again, found the post that had the picture of the cell phone with the thorium battery (which BTW no longer has the picture of it there).

Please see:http://www.energeticforum.com/200483-post109.html

So, I was not imagining things and had recalled seeing those images. Such a pity shame that some stuff goes away so easily on the internet.

Keep your information saved on a removable source or else it might be hard to find it when you want it.

[dmann]

Patent US4835433 - Apparatus for direct conversion of radioactive decay energy to electrical energy - Google Patents

Here is a link to the patent for the late Paul Brown's nuclear battery from back in the late 80's. If you look down in the references section you can see several later patents that use this one as a reference including one from The Boeing Company in 2012.

Patent US6404089 - Electrodynamic field generator - Google Patents

This is another patent. It is for Mark Tomion's Electrodynamic Field Generator.
It uses some thorium doped materials in the design. I believe that the thorium was found in the emitters of the device to help with electron flow. There are several other works that referenced this patent. I think that it was interesting that Mitsibishi referenced this work a couple of times for two of their patents.

There seems to be a lot of work in plain sight.
Enjoy

DMann

[jim glinski]

getting up set will not help

Getting upset will not help if you find anything remotely good pull it off the net and keep reposting it. And get it off you computer safe some were just post and pull it.free energy is part of nature .when you see a lighting strike it there the base principles you need to descover then there's no stopping it . here it is Hi voltage dc pulse to a cap in series with another cap then a earth ground then short the caps one at a time .electrostatic induction. Aka energy duplication .this is nature can't stop nature. And generally safe.Paul brown had a atomic battery gov said that they would fund his work but it would not be allowed on earth only in satelights around earth. He's dead now too !.Jim out keep it simple stay alive. Besides caps can be made from scraps.anywhere🍺

[Danny B]

China moving towards thorium

The latest news on thorium and China. 3 good vids embedded.
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/1...rones.html/amp