Gray Tube Replication

[Reiyuki]

I'd like to replicate the experiment you have Ghst. That is real neat work.
Could you do a quick diagram of how it's layed out and what kind of coil you might be using? Can't see too well from the video. I got some free time this weekend and would love to grow some of your plasma worms.

[Ghst]

Discovery By Accident

Rei, Tek, Sit back and enjoy. ( will Post Pictures of this setup later). I was trying to replicate the white worm nest. When all this began to happen. In the first video I began to get this strange Jacobs Ladder effect, only when you do a frame by frame the Arc is green. Not a shade of green but like green candy apple. YouTube - Wild 1
I made another adjustment and I got this...... Damn Youtube is preforming site Maintenance I'll try again later.

[Ghst]

Setup

These are photos of how I'm setup.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9618/setup1p.jpg
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3774/setup2d.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7391/setup3.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6185/setup4.jpg
If there is anything you are not sure of just ask.

[Ghst]

Here is the other videos. The second video was made after a adjustment to the center or LV electrode.The discharge is so violent that it caused the clip ( to the to the LV electrode from the Capacitor) to jarr off .
YouTube - Wild2
This is the final video of this test series. All of these are worthy of doing a frame by frame to get a good look at what's happening.
YouTube - Wild 3

[Savvypro]

I've read all the posts so far in this thread and I congratulate everyone on the good work they have done and the progress made so far .

In one of the early posts, the topic of having access to new materials and alloys that were not available to either Tesla or Gray meant that
there were more things to test and cold well lead to better and more efficient devices/designs.

Over at overunity.com I came across the Barbat low inertial mass generator thread.
Where they discuss Patent #20070007844

In post 14 by tak22 He states the following:
"think about all the old energy patents and pictures you've seen with "coils of copper" in them,

and remember that it's only fairly recent that copper wire has been annealed with a process that keeps oxyen away and prevents cupric oxide CuO from forming.

so now look at the pictures again with an eye to what might be happening with some of these oxidized coils ....

tak"

This struck me as something that could be of importance in the way the grids in the Gray Tube should be working. As well as to the operation of Tesla's copper plate radiant energy collector.

The lack of an oxidized layer of copper on the grids could be limiting the amount of energy the grids pick up - which may be stopping them from operating like Gray's did.


Also another thread that may be of interest is the one started by aether22 ( Pretty sure I have figured it out! ) where aether22 bases his ideas of how the Gray Tube may work on Joseph Hiddink's Capacity Changer Patent ( # 4,095,162 ) which was mentioned in both the http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...iscussion.html thread. As well as the http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-charging.html thread.

Both aether22 and tak22 have put forward interesting points which may help in the devlopment of a working Gray Tube.

[martin]

GHST, you are my new hero. That looks soo much like lightning it's not even funny. Have you been able to measure a temperature drop anywhere in the circuit?

I have finally, after many configurations made two capacitor's discharge collide inside a tube setup. One cap is discharged directly off the ignition coil HV and one cap is charged after the multiple spark gap (from Grid). If you connect the two caps to the same LV electrode you will not get a collision. This is because the two caps are basically connected in series to each other and the LV electrode. So I added another electrode through the side of the jar. This is directed toward the main LV electrode. I also pointed the LV diode as shown in the Ed Grey patent. After some adjusting of the electrode gaps here are the results.
This is the predischarge, I haven't seen anything like this yet! Its a family reunion of baby white plasma worms.
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/6...ordischarg.jpg

This is the full discharge.
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/6...rdischargw.jpg

[Ghst]

Martin, I havent taken any temperature readings yet. This setup keeps evolving, So far I'm basically going in the direction that the tube dictates for improvement. Remember the talk about the stretched arcs? Thats what this Jacobs ladder effect is basically doing inside the tube. And it is somehow quickly charging the caps to produce large and loud discharges. The discharges are now comming from the multiple spark gaps entire path, instead of one point from the LV electrode. Here is a better quality video.
YouTube - Large Discharge Jacobs Ladder Effect

[martin]

Im having a small difficulty understanding how the 5 pins / copper ring / string of pins are connected in the circuit. The explosion occurs when there's a strike from the 5 pins. Then in some frames, after the strike, it looks like mini ball lightning.

Martin, I havent taken any temperature readings yet. This setup keeps evolving, So far I'm basically going in the direction that the tube dictates for improvement. Remember the talk about the stretched arcs? Thats what this Jacobs ladder effect is basically doing inside the tube. And it is somehow quickly charging the caps to produce large and loud discharges. The discharges are now comming from the multiple spark gaps entire path, instead of one point from the LV electrode. Here is a better quality video.
YouTube - Large Discharge Jacobs Ladder Effect

[martin]

Ghst, can you post a schematic of your circuit that's driving the coil?

[Ghst]

Martin, there is not much to call a circuit. I'm using a small motor (microwave fan motor) to open and close a set of automobile points. But I have a picture with descriptions.
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6018/chopper2.jpg

[martin]

Awesome, thanks. Now, how are the 5 pins, copper ring, and outer pins interconnected/related?

Martin, there is not much to call a circuit. I'm using a small motor (microwave fan motor) to open and close a set of automobile points. But I have a picture with descriptions.
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6018/chopper2.jpg

[Ghst]

The outtre pin ring is about the size of a silver dollar or about 1 and a quarter inches in diameter. Try to place them as near to strait up and down as possiable. The heads of the pins should be the closest point of contact between the pins. If the points are closer then it will possible catch fire. (I had two pins points closer beneath the surface of the soft wood. One discharge somehow blowed a piece of wood out of the center.) The center pins I used five (can be more or less) Must also be positioned strait up and down all tho they can be closer and even touching each other. You don't need the copper ring but I showed it because I had it at the time of the videos. Ideally you should have the same number of pins (in the outer ring of pins) on each half of the circle. I used plug connectors to introduce the HV to the pin. But a piece of single strand wire or coat hanger will work. Remember the HV needs it be very close to the pin ring. but doesn't necessarily have to touch the pins. The HV will jump to the pins and circle around jumping between the pins at the heads. The wire from the grid or the wire used to charge the capacitor should be strait across the pin ring from the HV.(Also just touching the ring of pins or at least very close to the pins. The center pins are a neutral but seem to attract and cause the discharges. You can setup and test the placement of things outside of a tube or Jar. Connect one side of your capacitor to the capacitor charge wire. Connect the side of the cap to the LV ground electrode and diode.. A piece of single strand will do. Connect the ground (from Battery) to the LV electrode as well. turn the sucker on and using a pair of insulated pliers Ease the electrode down close to the pin heads, but closer to the cap charge wire side of the pin circle. If you hook it up right it will discharge.
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/646/nailedschema.jpg
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9618/setup1p.jpg
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3774/setup2d.jpg

[Ghst]

Repelling Coils Using "Tube".

I finished re dipping my microwave oven transformer primary coils in varnish and they are cured now. Now I have been able to pitch neo magnets several inches with the secondary coils but, I can't get the secondaries to repell a coil from a coil. I hooked up the primary coils and well here is the results. Its not much but it is encouraging and gives me a place to work at.
YouTube - Popping Coil Test
YouTube - Repelling Coils Test
Again it isn't much but it is a bit encouraging.

[martin]

Ghst, do you have a hv probe? If you do, here could be a real test to determine if there's cold electric being produced. Instead of hooking up the coils to the output of the tube, store the discharges in a capacitor. Then measure the voltage stored in the cap. Hook the coils up to the cap and see how violent they pop. Now, directly recharge the cap with regular hv electric (no spark gap) to the same measured voltage. Hook the coils back up to the cap and see if the coil popping is weaker.

It has been said that actual cold electric cant be measured by conventional meters so if the coils are more violent using the electric from the tube and using the same measured voltage between the two tests, then cold electric is present. Gray used a variac and neon sign transformer to demonstrate this. He charged the caps to say 3kv with the transformer then popped the coils. Then he charged the caps to say 3kv with cold electric and then popped the coils to demonstrate the massive difference between the two forms of electric.

[Ghst]

Better-n-Better

Martin, thanks for the cold electricity test suggestions. I might give it a shot.
Well I've used nails, pins, pin circles and the regular Ed Grey tube setups. But I have a totally new and different thing going now. I'm using small, thin, 1 inch square plates cut trom a thin piece of brass sheet a bought at Ace Hardware. (About $3.00). I glued them between the fine teeth of two hair combs And I think I have found the winning setup. There is a lot of action between these brass pieces, and I'm getting stronger discharges. Watch the video and you can see exactly how I have everything hooked up. I just need to put it inside a tube.
YouTube - Multiple spark gap using brass 3