3 Battery Generating System

[Matthew Jones]

You cant fix multiple batteries because your potential is always to low.

I am going to try another arrangement tomorrow and see if I can find a path for both routes of power to get back to the main battery. The dead batteries act as an Isolator.


Matt

[Neight]

Very nice videos Matt, thanks very much for sharing!
I seem to be reminded constantly of my lack of electronics experience. I have been seeing similar results for a couple of weeks on some of my setups, with loading and unloading bat3 and seeing bats 1 and 2 spike up on recovery. I never did anything with it, because I figured it was removing the load from bat3 that was allowing some relaxation in bats 1 and 2...
oh well, live and learn

Here is what I am thinking for the most practical use of this system, given the current findings and direction it looks like it may be headed.
In my opinion, and please understand this is only the opinion of a novice, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong, the best use for this system seems to me to be a short run cycle that drives a generator to charge a larger battery bank.
very similar to a solar setup, but with the 3BGS in place of the solar panels.
I have noticed along with others that there seems to be a time limit this system can run and still get full recovery out of the primary bats.
perhaps, rather than trying to run a whole house on this, it would be more practical to use this system only when needed to charge up the large battery banks needed to run a home.
with a switching method in place, it would be hard to run a constant load on the motor, because it will fluctuate with the switch. with the current time constraints on how long it can run and still fully recover, it makes a lot more sense to me to use this for only a couple of hours at a time to top off large battery banks, which could be charged with the motor running a genny that charges the bat bank. You could even set this up with a circuit that kicks on automatically when the batteries in the bank drop to a certain point, and to kick off when fully charged.
Again, this is my opinion based on where things are at right now. As things progress, who knows where it could go from here, but this might just be a way to get this running in a home as it sits, and make great use of it.
no worries about a lack of sunlight or wind to charge the battery bank, it could work all year round, and as long as the runs are short, the primary batteries wouldn't run down. keep a load on bat3 to always have it drained, and there is no reason why this couldn't work in the way I have described. It would be a very cheep easy way to get consistent charging of a home system, regardless of weather or other mitigating factors on other off grid systems.
Perhaps I am way off base here, and by no means am I settling on where we are. I am going to keep testing and trying new things right along with everyone else who is running this right now and trying to break through these current barriers, but thinking about it as it stands now, I can see this as a really practical way to get this used in a home right now, with little modification to the way it runs already.
my 2 cents
N8

[Turion]

Present State of Development

Neight,
You may be right, but then again, we have done no long term runs to see the effect this system has on the batteries. I have been running the same batteries with it on and off for the last four years, which is a good sign, but that isn't consistent. It could very well be harmful to the batteries for all we know.

With what Matt has shown us in just the last couple days I would think we might soon have a consistent source of power out of this thing. Matt wasn't running much of a load on the motor and if you will notice in the video he said he needed a load on the motor. I agree with this. The issue is, how much of a load can we run and still get the primary batteries to maintain charge. We haven't done enough testing to know that. We haven't upped the input voltages to 72, 84, 96, 108 volts on motors that run on those voltages, which most probably could turn a generator consistently and produce power. So there is a LOT of testing to do before we know what we really have here. And how many batteries do we need for our "sink?" It has only been two months, and we are just FINALLY getting some folks who will run this stuff on the bench instead of just talking about it.

And could there POSSIBLY be a system more simple to run than this one? No experience needed, and almost anybody who is sincere about wanting to replicate can come up with the materials to do so, even if it takes them a couple months. So we need as many people messing with this as possible.

Have we already proven beyond a doubt that this thing puts out more energy than you put into it? I'd like to think so, but who knows. There's a $10,000 prize out there for the "One Watt Challenge" that would go a long way toward helping with the research on this (or other projects) and since we have open sourced it, nobody has anything to lose by attempting to collect on that. They can't steal what we have given away. Matt may be the closest to having something that could actually meet the challenge, and if he did, oh how the pooh would hit the propeller!

http://www.zpower.com/en/documents/P...tChallenge.pdf

That is not the ONLY challenge that has been issued to the free energy community, so there is some money to be made just by producing a system that actually works...provided these people offering the prizes actually deliver. But it sure would be fun to shut some of them up for good.

Dave

[Matthew Jones]

The one watt challenge is BS. It requires a closed loop in the rules, or in other words a grounded circuit. And they already know you cannot get even 1 watt out more, in pure electric, than you put in, under those conditions.

So even though I have build A Benitez Potential Generator that has a COP of 64, confirmed, and proves without doubt an ungrounded circuit will out perform anything conventional has to offer, it will not pass that challenge.

The requirement for a ground is solely based on the mathematic end of engineering. With out the exact math no circuit can be proven. There is to much environmental interaction and it is not thermal so there is no standards for the math.

It a bummer for sure.

Matt

[LutherG]

Working on acquiring batteries

Hi Everyone,

I found someone who will take 15 of my used C&D AGM Batteries as cores against 15 used Golf Cart batteries - only 6 of which he deemed as being "trustworthy"... So this will give me at least 36 volts for primaries and up to as many as 9 candidates for bad batteries... All for $25 apiece so I hope to have those by the end of the week...

Hopefully some of the 9 "untrustworthy" batteries can be rejuvenated as well... Anyways, just checking in and posting a status. I've got some pulleys to get as well as another 24-volt currie motor...

Cheers,

Luther

[Matthew Jones]

Check the fluid in the batteries. Alot of used golf cart batteries have been topped with tap water.

More than likely you can get them back to some point but you'll have to change the fluid out. Once tap water with it lime and chlorine are introduced the acid no longer works as expected.

Buy that book I link to earlier, you won't regret it.

Matt

[boguslaw]

Hi guys,

I have finally gotten some time to work on this again. I have gotten a mosfet switching circuit to work on this. I have the motor connected the same as we have been doing and the mosfets connected across batt 3 to vary the current through the motor. It works very well with my little radio shack motor. It also will control my scooter motor although it will get pretty warm depending on the duty cycle. I have attached a schematic of the mosfet circuit. Thanks to Vissie for allowing me to modify his circuit and share it with the rest of you.

While I was working on this I had a scope connected to my 2 good batts to look at the spikes coming back to them. I discovered something that seems pretty strange. I only had the motor connected with the mosfet circuit as a load on batt 3. I have a switch in line between the motor and batt 1 positive. When I turn that switch off I still get spikes back to the good batts until the motor comes to a stop. There shouldn't be any way for the spikes to get back to the batts because the circuit is open. I checked this several times and they were always there until the motor stopped. I am using shielded scope leads so I don't think they were picking up the spikes and especially since the ground lead was still connected to - connection on the battery. Strange?

Carroll

Could you attach larger picture of schematic ? I see there is a choke there which may generate spikes ??

[Neight]

Neight,
You may be right, but then again, we have done no long term runs to see the effect this system has on the batteries. I have been running the same batteries with it on and off for the last four years, which is a good sign, but that isn't consistent. It could very well be harmful to the batteries for all we know.

With what Matt has shown us in just the last couple days I would think we might soon have a consistent source of power out of this thing. Matt wasn't running much of a load on the motor and if you will notice in the video he said he needed a load on the motor. I agree with this. The issue is, how much of a load can we run and still get the primary batteries to maintain charge. We haven't done enough testing to know that. We haven't upped the input voltages to 72, 84, 96, 108 volts on motors that run on those voltages, which most probably could turn a generator consistently and produce power. So there is a LOT of testing to do before we know what we really have here. And how many batteries do we need for our "sink?" It has only been two months, and we are just FINALLY getting some folks who will run this stuff on the bench instead of just talking about it.

And could there POSSIBLY be a system more simple to run than this one? No experience needed, and almost anybody who is sincere about wanting to replicate can come up with the materials to do so, even if it takes them a couple months. So we need as many people messing with this as possible.

Have we already proven beyond a doubt that this thing puts out more energy than you put into it? I'd like to think so, but who knows. There's a $10,000 prize out there for the "One Watt Challenge" that would go a long way toward helping with the research on this (or other projects) and since we have open sourced it, nobody has anything to lose by attempting to collect on that. They can't steal what we have given away. Matt may be the closest to having something that could actually meet the challenge, and if he did, oh how the pooh would hit the propeller!

http://www.zpower.com/en/documents/P...tChallenge.pdf

That is not the ONLY challenge that has been issued to the free energy community, so there is some money to be made just by producing a system that actually works...provided these people offering the prizes actually deliver. But it sure would be fun to shut some of them up for good.

Dave

Hello Dave
I completely agree with you. I was in no way trying to finalize this system, and agree there is more work to be done with it.
I was mostly trying to show that there may be a practical use for the system as it stands now, and anything else gained will only help that along.
As far as any "overunity prize" I am not really interested. If anyone working on this deserves an incentive for it, it would be you, since it was you who brought this to us, and has spent the time in on it already.
I absolutely think there is a lot more to learn about this system, and more progress to be made, and I am more than happy to be along for the ride
I have a couple of days off this week, and will be making some more runs on this, and will try to replicate what Matt has shown in his last video, so we have more data coming in on that.

N8

[citfta]

Could you attach larger picture of schematic ? I see there is a choke there which may generate spikes ??

I don't really know how to make the schematic any bigger. Maybe you can save it to your computer and then open it with paint. That was how I edited it for the changes I made. The choke is there to prevent any spikes from getting to the opto and false triggering the mosfets.

Carroll

[shylo]

blue light

Is this the blue light that was talked about earlier?
If the light is orange or a dull brown you don't get the voltage spikes.
The blue light sends the voltage readings off the scale.
I think this is what might be happening in the brush contacts of the motor.
I made these sparks by shorting the coils.
I'm having a hard time trying to catch the spikes ,capacitors seem to be a step in the right direction.
Shorting the coils gives infinite resistance ..correct?
Matt I think tapping the resistor is doing the same thing, but on a smaller scale.
Just some tests I've been doing , could be totally wrong though.

shylo

[DavidE]

[FRC]

Hi All

Great results Matt! Neight I agree this could be used
right now. It could be run continuously with multiple
systems and lots of batteries switching between setups.

I got my motor couplers yesterday but don't know
when I will try putting anything together. Just resting
after a lot of days of working. Good to see all the progress
and more members coming on board.

George

[Sanskara316]

Hello to all, its been a while, just tried the basic setup again last night, been busy at work. Anyways, I have 1 sulfated car battery, I tried it in the bat3 position and 2 6volt battery. 2BGS set up, I using a bigger motor from a printer, it's not burning anymore. I used a Bedini Relay Charger as a load on bat3. and the Bidini Charger Charging another 6 volt. I agree with Neight's Idea as a charging system replacing solar panels. I run it for an hour. The problem is keeping the bad battery from recovering. After running the set up my bat3 bad battery is holding 12.3 volts from only 4+ volts at start up. and it continue to run the Bedini charger for I think 30 min before stopping. after the run the primary recovered after 15 min.

I also tried using the bedini charger in place of the motor. No loss on primary voltage, I connected the + backemf of the charger to the positive of the primary battery. and bat3 running Leds light, I let it run for an hour also.

@ Shylo try restraining the motor from moving and tapping the positive to the primary,it makes blue sparks. just like Matts resistor tapping

[Neight]

Welcome back George, good to see you
It's funny, the system I have built in my head to run my house is actually about as simple to build as it gets...
A large bank of deep cycle batteries, possibly converted to alum batteries, so they can take a little more punishment and not have as much damage. Add Lasersaber's large joule ringer that he uses to power his shop, to reduce the power it takes to run the system. Possibly some large SEC for wireless lighting. The part I have been missing so far has been a reliable way to charge the battery banks without getting into wind or solar. I haven't built an energizer large enough to recharge big batteries, but I have been scratching my head over what to use as a charger. Now here we have an incredibly simple to run system that could easily power a generator large enough to charge big banks of batteries, and no worries on input power....
Things are coming together, and at this point, I mostly just need to buy the parts it would take to build it all.

I think that sometimes we miss the mark on this and other forums. many of us have been looking for that one machine that does it all, and has power left to spare. To me, the best system is a mix of things already proven to work, and if you can put the right combination together, living off grid without having to worry about wind or sunshine really shouldn't be much of a problem.
perhaps I am being overly simple here, but from where I am sitting, living off grid is just a "stones throw" away from where I am now. None of the systems I have mentioned take much investment, the largest of those would be the battery bank, but if you can repair some old batteries, or convert them to alum and have them work good as new, you can even get them reasonably cheep.
don't want to derail this thread, but I have been thinking about this for quite some time now, and just wanted to throw some of these things out into the open.

N8

[ewizard]

After skimming the 1 watt challenge by Hal Puthoff I'm going to say he's full of B.S. in more ways than you can count. His statement: " Similarly,
in briefing various government agencies, including the DOD, NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology, formerly the National Bureau of Standards), and the Patent Office, we did not encounter any evidence of suppression or hindrance of our efforts, only encouragement." shows he is either full of it or clueless as we have proof to the contrary in some official patent office memo's that clearly state otherwise.

I suspect that the issue Matt mentioned regarding a ground is there because they KNOW most ZPE or radiant energy devices will fail when grounded.