Permanent Magnet Flip Flop

[Slider2732]

@Graham - there are many recent experiments by people, which seem relevant and may relate to what I think you are saying.
The likes of the Super Joule Ringer toroids can make a heck of a squeal sound, but become quietened with the merest of gap between toroid halves.
I remember Woopy unintentionally snapped a toroid in half and yet the repaired structure worked the best for him in some experiments.
Then there was a Kapanadze foray by a multinational team a few months ago, who put paper between the halves of a CRT monitor toroid.
Am I right in thinking that, broadly, the sound differences and running differences relate to the changed interactions of the toroid halves ? and that by exploring the change, while still keeping toroid properties of torus fields, that magnetic interactions based on different running frequencies of each half could be explored ?

[boguslaw]

Well, I'm not expert but there is no magic with gap. It helps preventing saturation of core.

[Slider2732]

Good point
I'm wondering about the magnetism running within that gap and at different frequencies. So, say 2MHz on one side and the infamous 7.83Hz on the other.
Just the thought about the toroid hitting saturation instantly and then snapped out of saturation raises some curiosity.
Add to that the different frequencies and the use of a micrometer accurate specific gap in the toroid halves.

[jahzwolf]

Wow these are some great ideas.. seems like i have hit a gold mine of awesome minds...

the modeling software i have won't permit me to get these ideas modeled.. just doesn't have the kind of power necessary to integrate them .. perhaps i can find a way to intermodel them using some other tools i can look around for..

give me a few days.. i may be able to find some other tools that would help me try some of these out.. before i commit to build any in the lab..

I still need to get some more tools, like some toroid cores etc.. and set up shop anyway.. So in the mean time if i can find some other modeling tools online perhaps i can get some of these great ideas captured..

I really appreciate the help guys!

I did manage to put this one together with a split ring... Nice thing about this one is that the only power required is to turn on and off the half ring coil.. all the rest is just ferrite.. so maybe the pulsing at various frequencies could be applied here..





Or even the Y triple split using just one coil that we could pulse at any frequency.. and many pickup points for output coils..

[GSM]

Hi Slider and Jazhwolf,

Do not forget that ferro-magnetism is the alignment of electron orbits, and that you do not (cannot) get more energy out than has been induced unless you actually alter the atomic structure of the iron molecules, and no computer software will be capable of revealing this, whatever resonant frequencies might arise or be induced.
Maybe an ability to alternate within a core the spin field induced by a magnet is the best that can be hoped for here, but even then, can more energy be released than it takes to switch that field ?

[penno64]

Hi Jaz,

Here's a great video by Cody -

Switching Permantent Magnet Field.wmv - YouTube


Regards, Penno

[jahzwolf]

Hi Slider and Jazhwolf,

Do not forget that ferro-magnetism is the alignment of electron orbits, and that you do not (cannot) get more energy out than has been induced unless you actually alter the atomic structure of the iron molecules, and no computer software will be capable of revealing this, whatever resonant frequencies might arise or be induced.
Maybe an ability to alternate within a core the spin field induced by a magnet is the best that can be hoped for here, but even then, can more energy be released than it takes to switch that field ?

Well that is the key here..

it is the switching the direction of the magnet field, NOT reversing it, or getting in its way at all, just redirecting it ... that i am playing with..

The example is that of a transistor where the base emitter junction is doped in such a way that a small change in current avalanches into a large change in flow between the emitter collector junctions..

So this is not switching the field that I am after, it is switching the DIRECTION of where the field is making it's turn to the South pole..

So if a sweet spot of when the field is already beginning to to make it's own flip to a new direction is found, and a small force is applied to push it that way then we have a flip occurred without much energy.. get it?

I am not trying to reverse a magnet field.. i understand that would require more energy than i would get out of it..

I just want to redirect the water fall by directing the flow to a pivot point that can be easily moved..

i strongly believe this is possible, ..

No you are right trying to reverse the direction of a river can't be done without more effort than it is worth..

but redirecting it at will is done all the time at canals...

This is going to work.. i am sure of it.. the transistor is the proof.. in my mind.. and all that has to be done is to figure out how to create a gating mechanism, and calculate the exact point of that sweet spot..

go grab yourself a couple of magnets and put like ends together and move them just slightly until you feel that spot i am talking about.. don't use the strong ones or you might lose a finger or a eye when it flips..

and imagine that spot being able to be turned on and off with just a small amount of current..

happens in every transistor ever made.. why not for flux? seriously we have all that energy keeping the iron together.. and if we get a conductor in the way of it, it creates a hole in it, it loves to run in circles.. so lets just let it circulate thru some sort of a figure 8 or such and get some coils in the way of it just like rocks in a river..

Who needs a big pile of radio active rocks, that i will remind you was first all piled up in Chicago to make the first reactor..

all i want to do is take that iron rock and come up with a way to flip flop the flow of it's energy and get a coil in the way of it..

[jahzwolf]

Hi Jaz,

Here's a great video by Cody -

Switching Permantent Magnet Field.wmv - YouTube


Regards, Penno

thanks that is a awesome video. Slider also thought of that and posted it great idea that was..

I am not sure i want to flip any fields though like they are doing in that video. i just want to 're-direct' the field flow..

a small change effecting the LARGE Change in the direction of the flux thru ferrite rings..

[Slider2732]

Or even the Y triple split

...and there we have the point of Cherryman's and my own thought
hehe, but, seriously....the Y is the waterfall gate !
Turn the Y upside down and it's exactly that. We can picture it horizontally too, with a canal barge being allowed to continue in either direction, as and when rocks actually get in the way - If those rocks are considered as Lenz forces in a motor
Now that you described the Base of the transistor, it makes more sense for a forming circuit in the old noggin.

I see this developing into a version of using Lenz for our benefit. In a rotating motor, we get that familiar hump area and drag problem and there are all sorts of ways that people combat it...magnets on the back of coils etc. But - this switch idea can use the current generated on the back of a coil to flip the energy, using the Y system ?
In fact, the other side becomes shorted and we all know how beneficial shorted coils can be.

It's all going Victor Schauberger on us too lol
I dunno if I have this right yet, but am enjoying the concept

[jahzwolf]

well i just ordered a bunch of electronics parts so i can begin to try some of these models in the lab.. the Y model will be something I will seriously look into trying out..

I saw something in the modeling software that was very interesting..

taking two 1000 gauss or .1 telsa magnets and opposing the North poles pushing the flux into a clover leaf.. of ferrite rings the software models a dramatic increase in flux in those rings..

I seriously want to try it in the lab, as the modeling software shows this 2000 gauss mulitplied into a whopping 24 Telsa in the rings.. that is 24 X 10,000 gauss as measured in the software.. (in the pic you see it a bit less but still 2.2 E+1 T that is more flux than i would want to get in the way of i have almost lost a finger with two 5000 gauss magnets snapping together and shattering themselves from a short distance.. i just can't imagine 220,000 Gauss if we somehow switched that on and off would have to bury it in the ground to stop it from knocking out local communications..

I am skeptical that this is real, was chatting about this with a co-worker who had said he had seen similar things in the lab.. so maybe just maybe this is a possibility..

it would explain how the Joule thief circuit is demonstrating the 10X gain.. as when that transistor turns off in that circuit there is no where for that flux to go except the secondary.. and IF the results are real in that circuit the only way I can explain it is that the flux is multiplying itself somehow..

Here is the snap of what i modeled.. below that using a primary and secondary in the circuit, the math there simply shows the configuration is efficient does NOT show a power gain.. just very efficient step up transformer.. so... no joy there in the math..

[Bob Smith]

I'm wondering if some of the proposed setups for replicating Thane Heins' bitoroid transformer have any value in this discussion (i.e., with the three ferrite rods between 2 ferrite rings). See posts on this page:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10394-bi-toroid-transformer-thane-c-heins-3.html

At the same time, I can't help but think that there may be a tie-in with the Leedskalnin PMH (as mentioned above) and the SM TPU. It seems to me that the TPU is taking accelerated magnetic current, capturing it as EM induction in a perpendicular coil. This also appears to be what Don Smith was saying about his Motionless EM Generator (don't think he called it that, but it seems to be an early version of what Bearden refers to by that name). Smith mentioned that the metglass toroid actually became a "magnetron" from which he collected voltage via a perpendicular coil.

I'm just wondering if you can actually get flux capacitance without converting magnetic current into potential difference (via perpendicularly wound wire), dumping it into a cap, then perhaps discharging it back into the toroid.

The other idea I have would be to take a ferrite sleeve inductor as discussed here,

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11639-ferrite-sleeve-inductor.html

and again, dump its radiant energy into a cap, to be discharged into a coil perpendicularly wound to produce pulsed magnetic current in a toroid.

Bob

[GSM]

The beauty of a ferrite sleeve is that it can simultaneously be used as a toroid !

[kEhYo77]

Hi.

For some time I've been thinking about something similar along those lines...

[jahzwolf]

I'm wondering if some of the proposed setups for replicating Thane Heins' bitoroid transformer have any value in this discussion (i.e., with the three ferrite rods between 2 ferrite rings). See posts on this page:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10394-bi-toroid-transformer-thane-c-heins-3.html

At the same time, I can't help but think that there may be a tie-in with the Leedskalnin PMH (as mentioned above) and the SM TPU. It seems to me that the TPU is taking accelerated magnetic current, capturing it as EM induction in a perpendicular coil. This also appears to be what Don Smith was saying about his Motionless EM Generator (don't think he called it that, but it seems to be an early version of what Bearden refers to by that name). Smith mentioned that the metglass toroid actually became a "magnetron" from which he collected voltage via a perpendicular coil.

I'm just wondering if you can actually get flux capacitance without converting magnetic current into potential difference (via perpendicularly wound wire), dumping it into a cap, then perhaps discharging it back into the toroid.

The other idea I have would be to take a ferrite sleeve inductor as discussed here,

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11639-ferrite-sleeve-inductor.html

and again, dump its radiant energy into a cap, to be discharged into a coil perpendicularly wound to produce pulsed magnetic current in a toroid.

Bob

This video is interesting.. as are the links.. they all have one difference than what i am pursuing.. they still are all powering the primaries.. and using THAT flux for loading the secondary.. Where I am wanting to utilize existing RAW IRON flux and directing it to a coil and switching it on and off with a small change flux with a small amount of power..

The notion of a a flux capacitor is interesting.. as a container and it's usefulness certainly will prove useful in multiplying flux, perhaps it might be necessary for a switch, or useful in creating one..

My focus right now is finding a sweet spot of raw magnets opposing each other, where the flux will do anything to get to the south pole, and putting two very receptive ferrite conductors near by and find a means either thru a small coil, wrapped around say liquid flux core and reversing the current thru it... with a switch..

ie the Joule Thief Circuit has promise for my focus.. and some have added magnets to increase the apparent load voltage.

I think i saw one video where they really have got this down.. but not enough details to prove it.. all i know is they were getting 1KW without a single battery in the device..

it makes me happy that so many people are interested in this kind of approach, and the different ideas are awesome.. and willing to share and collaborate..

proves to me this might just appear soon as a reality .. imagine a world without someone controlling the power you use..

[GSM]

.. imagine a world without someone controlling the power you use..

I have, and it would not be a dream, but a nightmare of global warming !