Wardenclyffe - Tesla's true intention

[Ernst]

We started here:

You blame J P Morgan. What of the masses?

and now we are here:
When you can not win an argument, you twist and turn until you find a tiny detail where you feel more confident. You are intelligent and you have a fighters spirit, but you lack wisdom.
Why don't you tell us more about how great this thing called "money" is and how it prevents us from wasting energy and resources.
I'll tell you one more thing before I'm leaving here.
Money is the reason for almost everything that is wasted in the world.
Things are not made to last, they are made to fail so you need to buy a new one.
Medicine are not made to cure, they are made to cause even more problems so more pills can be sold.
- the most brilliant example of this is subscribing meth-amphetamine to children that suffer from ADHD, which in turn is caused by lack of parential attention, which is caused by the fact that both parents need/want to work. Meth-amphetamine is known to be one of the most destructive drugs.
Wireless power distribution does not exist today because more energy and metal can be wasted on a distribution network.
People are killed and abused (including children) for money.

The only thing that money is good for is suppressing the masses by the ones that have the most.

Did I say that money is a bad thing? I've changed my mind.

You will change it again. Don't worry.
You just have not reached that age yet.

I already was tired of these nonsense discussions and ridiculous arguments going on here. This forum should be a place where people who want to achieve something in making this world a better place, come together and exchange thoughts.
But is is not. It is overshadowed by cocky ego's wanting to prove that they can win any discussion no matter how silly and obviously wrong their arguments.

I'm done here. It just takes too much time and energy which I can spend in more fruitful ways.

Good luck to you all!

Btw. as for Wardenclyffe, study Tesla's last 8 US patents (filed from 1913 to 1916). You will see all the working principles explaned (in mechanical terms).

Ernst.

[dR-Green]

When you can not win an argument, you twist and turn until you find a tiny detail where you feel more confident.

There is no argument to win or lose. I defined it as a "philosophical discussion". I think you missed all the question marks.

You will change it again. Don't worry.
You just have not reached that age yet.

It is overshadowed by cocky ego's wanting to prove that they can win any discussion no matter how silly and obviously wrong their arguments.

What do you propose is the solution to the question that you asked?

Money is the reason for almost everything that is wasted in the world.

You speak as if "money" is some evil entity that has its own agenda. People use money and cause the havoc that ensues, it has nothing to do with "money" in itself. You are free to do away with the idea. All it requires is that everyone else choose to do the same. Banks/bankers can't force you to use money any more than a supermarket can force you to use a trolley, people choose to use it.

You should take a moment and see 'the secret'. I know the entire film is on youtube, but I can not find it so quickly. Here are the first 20 min. As a starter....
It does work, exactly as they say it does. Your current life proves it once again...
The moment you start believing that the world is filled with negative forces that will nullify everything you try to accomplish, is the moment you will find proof of this in everything you do. Just let go of that thought. It is your life and nobody but you is in control.
You CAN accomplish anything you want, you just need to change your mind a bit.
Just imagine the things that you could accomplish, and nobody but you.

Ernst.

I would love to see you explain this in Ethiopia.

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You see, I'm not arguing against you. Apparently it would seem that it's you who is arguing against me.

Anyway I don't want you to leave on my account. I rarely get into such discussions so you are safe for perhaps another year or so

[Hobby Eon]

Blah..blah...blah... I know Tesla...blah...blah..
blah...blah..That is not Wardenclyffe !...blah...blah..
blah...blah.. I did not have sex with that women...(same truth level)....
blah...blah..[contradictive talk]...blah...blah..
blah...blah..I have no money....blah...blah..
blah...blah..i don't have a model...blah...blah..
blah...blah... i had it once but i have no pictures...blah...blah..
blah...blah... i am an attention seeker...blah...blah..
blah...blah.... i like being a sekt leader...blah...blah..
blah...blah.. i wanted my 15 minutes of fame...blah...blah..

A HUNDRED YEARS PEOPLE HAVE INVESTIGATED TESLA AND FOUND NOTHING!
TESLA COULD NOT BELIEVE THAT SHORTWAVES COULD BEND AND
HE BELIEVED THAT A CAMERA AT HIS EYE COULD PHOTOGRAPF HIS
THOUGHTS !! LOONY !




TO THE RONALD REAGAN HOUSE OF THE VERY VERY NERVOUS..

[epwpixieq-1]

blah...blah.. i wanted my 15 minutes of fame...blah...blah..

A HUNDRED YEARS PEOPLE HAVE INVESTIGATED TESLA AND FOUND NOTHING!
TESLA COULD NOT BELIEVE THAT SHORTWAVES COULD BEND AND
HE BELIEVED THAT A CAMERA AT HIS EYE COULD PHOTOGRAPF HIS
THOUGHTS !! LOONY !




TO THE RONALD REAGAN HOUSE OF THE VERY VERY NERVOUS..

Well, I assume that it has never crossed you mind that maybe it is a problem with all these people, than with him.

As Tesla famously said, 100 years ago: "I do not have a problem recreating my experiments and discoveries, the people, who can not recreate them, have a problem."

Ones (if) you start to understand Nature, you will realize, that it is one thing to build theories and totally other thing to build working machinery. In order to build something working you first have to understand/realize the natural dependencies/laws it observes.
Many can talk, very few can build, and one in billions can build AND understand the dependencies of what one builds.

He may "BELIEVED" about some wrong ideas, I do not have records on that, but NEVER announced a natural dependency or a working machinery, he had not proved by experiments before. This is why, even virtually unknown, he bares more credibility than any of the theoretical scientists can ever hope for. Not to speak that without some of his inventions we would have been in the dark ages.

He may "BELIEVED" about some wrong things, I do not have records on that, but NEVER anounced something he was noted proved by experiments before. This is why, even vertually unknown, he bares more credability than any of the theoretiacl scientists can ever hope for.

And just for the record, you can turn off your electricity at home, for if you get your power from the electrical grid ( from your response I can detect that this is the case ) it is 100% certain that all, up to the last electrical vibration you use, is provided by an electrical power distribution system based on Tesla's patents, and all these years no one can invent anything more useful. Now how is that for 15 minuts fame.

[boguslaw]

Mr Tesla generously given me the permission to answer on his own name...


If these men knew what I doThis is a fact.

This is one of most beautiful things ever produced in the way of apparatus: I take a generator of any kind. With the generator I charge a condenser. Then I discharge the condenser under conditions which result in the production of vibrations. Now, it was known since Lord Kelvin that the condenser discharge would give this vibration, but I perfected my apparatus to such a degree that it became an instrument utilizable in the arts, in a much broader way than Lord Kelvin had contemplated as possible. In fact, years afterwards when Lord Kelvin honored me by presenting to the British Association one of my oscillators of a perfected form, he said that it was "a wonderful development and destined to be of great importance."

Some experimenters who have gone after me have found a difficulty. They said,

"No, we cannot produce a constant train of oscillations."

Well, it is not my fault. I never have had the slightest difficulty. I produced constant oscillations and I have described how I produced them. Anyone who has no more than my own skill can do it.

I was able, as I have pointed out in my writings, to produce oscillations without even a spark being visible between the knobs. This device is now known in the art as the "quenched spark gap." Professor Wein has formulated a beautiful theory about it, which I understand has netted him the Nobel prize. Wein's theories are admirable. The only trouble is that he has overlooked one very important fact. It is this: If the apparatus is properly designed and operated, there is no use for the quenched gap, for the oscillations are continuous anyway. The radio men who came after me had the problem before them of making a bell sound, and they immersed it in mercury. Now, you know mercury is heavy. When they struck their bell, the mercury did not permit it to vibrate long because it took away all the energy. I put my bell in a vacuum and make it vibrate for hours. I have designed circuits in connection with an enterprise in 1898 for transmission of energy which, once started, would vibrate three years, and even after that the oscillations could still be detected. Professor Wein's theory is very beautiful, but it really has no practical meaning. It will become useless as soon as the inefficient apparatus of the day, with antennae that radiate energy rapidly, [are] replaced by a scientifically designed oscillator which does not give out energy except when it gets up to a tremendous electromagnetic momentum.


That's all I wanted to say, the rest is silence....



P.S. Now let me rest with a new story I found in bookstore around corner . It's title is "For Whom the Bell Tolls" ,written by Ernest Hemingway .If you knew that exactly you would not bother me again.....

Your Sincerely
N.T.

[TeslaSecrets]

So much for intelligent, technical discussion of Tesla's true intentions for Wardenclyffe. It seems whenever technical details, evidence and information is presented, the tendency of some here is to resort to name calling, personal attacks and unrelated philosophical arguments to distract and misdirect people into pointless egotistical discussion which has nothing whatsoever to do with the technical apparatus and methods Tesla himself describes on many occasions.

The technical apparatus, are not proven incorrect, by personal attacks on character, philosophical debate, and so on. Asking whether I would pay for it or not, or who would pay for it, or why people would want it, what its end use would be, etc etc are not valid arguments against the technical possibility of such a system. Nor is my lack of personally constructing such a demonstration an argument against the possibility of constructing such a system. I haven't built a car or space shuttle, but this in no way means such things are not possible. This is hardly the point.

The point remains, it is possible to transmit information signals and power, without transmitting electromagnetic waves, either through space or through the ground. Mechanical waves being a prime example of this.

Is two cups connected by a string, a radio? When you speak to another person across the room, is that radio?

It is very possible and extremely likely, Wardenclyffe was designed to operate in a similar manner, using the Earth as the medium of transmission, not the air. It is absolutely possible to convert electromagnetic energy, into mechanical energy, and vice versa. Tesla demonstrated many different ways to do this.

Tesla's book, "The Problem of Increasing Human Energy" discuss these philosophical issues far more intelligently than myself or anyone else could do, as he was the one who knew the potential of his system best.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

What Tesla was proposing was as much an advance over AC wired transmission and radio, as AC was over the first DC transmission systems.
The powers at be used these exact same methods, of sensationalism( electrocuting animals with AC ), personal attacks, ridicule etc etc. in an attempt to uphold their woefully inefficient DC transmission system. Yet AC still came to be. Despite all efforts to suppress change, change will occur.

It matters not, your nor my own personal opinions on this matter. You could claim gravity is an illusion and a scientific absurdity, yet upon leaping off a tall building, you would find your beliefs are not more powerful than the reality.

In Galileo's time the "intelligent scientists" of the day claimed what was seen through a telescope was a magical illusion, not worthy of study whatsoever. Airplanes were proven to be impossible. The Earth was believed flat and at the center of the Universe.

Such things seem ridiculous to us today, and yet we are no different and still hold to many concepts which future cultures will find just as absurd. Even today, the ego and arrogance of man remains, we are not the center of the Universe, but don't fret, we are the only life in the Universe.

One thing about science which the scientific record absolutely proves, is science has repeatedly been incorrect about a great many things.

AC wired transmission will not be the power transmission of the future. Why? Simply because systems always change. Despite the ignorance, progress occurs. Some can try to stop this progress, and may be successful for a period of time, but the longer it is held back, the more power it actually accumulates.

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall - think of it, always."-Mahatma Ghandi

[dR-Green]

This is hardly the point.

What is the point? Can you define what "the argument" is supposed to be here? All I see is that you don't like the use of the term "radio", which I already explained. The "philosophical" talk started with practical points that would apply to anyone who would actually attempt to build something, and to experiment legally and intelligently, not getting into any trouble and not causing interference to existing services. Even a link to a source with practical information was provided. What has J P Morgan got to do with it?

etc etc are not valid arguments against the technical possibility of such a system.

They're not supposed to be.

[TeslaSecrets]

The point is it is wrong to claim Wardenclyffe was a transmitter of electromagnetic waves and this was its method of transmitting power to Any point on the globe. Modern transmission systems do not have world wide range. Tesla himself stated 3/4 or more of the power from his system, was through the ground, not over the ground and not through the air. Modern transmitters do not have a large top terminal capacitance, which Wardenclyffe clearly does. Such a large capacitance, placed on the top of a transmitting aerial or antenna, would decrease the power of any electromagnetic waves. Such a capacitance would contain or store electromagnetic field, not radiate it. Show me a modern, high power, radio transmission system, with a 30 foot terminal at its top, and I will happily drop this argument.

To say Wardenclyffe falls entirely under the category of "radio"( radio meaning an electromagnetic waves through the air or above the Earth's surface ), is disinformation and misdirects people from learning what Tesla's true intention for Wardenclyffe was, which is the topic of this forum.

Your single reference to the "ground wave" mode of transmission, which is just another form of transmission of electromagnetic waves over the surface of the Earth, and still through the air. Even though they use the word "ground" in such a description, the transmission is not going through the ground as Tesla claimed his system was. It is simply incorrect to claim the purpose of Wardenclyffe was to transmit its electromagnetic energy through the air or as a "ground wave" as you referenced. Tesla repeatedly states his system sent power through the Earth not over the surface.
To say anything other than this, is disregarding Tesla's own words.

Technically, any spark gap Tesla coil, as commonly built and shown on the net, emits a great deal of electromagnetic noise, ( radiation on multiple frequencies ) and for this reason it is illegal to operate such a coil for longer than 10 minutes in my country, due to this interference. So as long as we run such a coil for brief amounts of time, we are not breaking any laws.

There are thousands of people constructing these Tesla coils and some do run them for much longer than the laws allows. Are you saying these people should all give up their investigations? Are you saying no one should try to build a Tesla coil, without spending thousands of dollars on a radio license, because that is not likely to happen, although I am sure some wish this was the case.

J.P. Morgan was discussed because he was the primary investor in Tesla's Wardenclyffe. Morgan chose to get involved, not to develop such a system, but for the sole purpose of controlling and preventing such a system. At the time of Wardenclyffe's demise, the media was publishing a great deal of false and misleading information, to the extent they claimed Wardenclyffe was built by Tesla so he could spy for Germany. So the "masses" were misled by false propaganda and an effort to discredit Tesla, so anyone who invested in his work, could be claimed to be supporting a madman or working for the enemy. This is all well documented.

Claiming Tesla was a German spy, looney, a mad man and so on, is obviously an effort to discredit his work. As much so as Edison's invention of the electric chair and electrocutions of live animals in front of the public, was an attempt to discredit Tesla's AC transmission system. Whereas in Edison's case AC prevailed, in the case of Wardenclyffe the detractors of Tesla were successful in their suppression.

This so called "looney" was offered a Noble prize, has his name as the scientific unit for magnetic field strength, invented radio, remote control, robotics, radar, florescent lighting and developed the power system which powers the computer upon which your posting to this very forum. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind, he could have greatly improved the overall condition of humanity, if others had not so violently and stupidly opposed him.

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. - Albert Einstein

Definitely some mediocre minds on this forum.

[dR-Green]

There are thousands of people constructing these Tesla coils and some do run them for much longer than the laws allows. Are you saying these people should all give up their investigations?

What investigations?

Are you saying no one should try to build a Tesla coil, without spending thousands of dollars on a radio license, because that is not likely to happen, although I am sure some wish this was the case.

I already told you, a foundation license is free. That was some of the "practical" information you see. The only difference is in your mind. In order to get a free license you must pass an exam, which of course means you need to have certain knowledge and an awareness which is mainly focused on rules of courtesy. This is based on personal responsibility and has little to do with "the law" with regard to breaking it merely for the "legal" incentive/implications. Not all laws are conceived to be a source of revenue. We could quite easily lead this back into the philosophical discussion, in that no one will be prepared to learn the rules of courtesy towards their fellow humans before they begin their "investigations". What interference they cause is of no consequence, as you say, as long as they only operate it for less than 10 minutes at a time. Too bad if Joe Sixpack can't watch the Superbowl every time you turn it on I suppose.

Why would anyone hesitate in spending thousands of dollars on it anyway? I was under the impression that they'd want to put all their money into it, so they can supply everyone else with free stuff Doesn't make as much sense when you actually start thinking about it, does it. Now you are arguing for the other side.

Also you are still arguing against the term "radio" which is pointless since we have already gone through the definition. I'm not talking about transmitting through the air so there's no point keeping on about it. If it prevents a computer program-like thought pattern then replace the term "radio" with "telephony". Or just drop the whole thing and stick with "transmission of energy" in order to keep the ideas inside the box. Sparks gaps and transmission of energy, yes that is the way

[Berg]

Tesla Secrets According to Andrija Puharich


Dr. Andrija Puharich
1918-1995

Interesting Details about Nikola Tesla from Dr. Andrija Puharich.
In a YouTube video uploaded on April 29, 2011, Dr. Puharich reveals rare details about the life and work of fellow Serbo-Croatian-American scientist, Nikola Tesla.

Real Tesla Secrets Revealed - YouTube

tesla information meeting andria puharich - YouTube

References
1. Andrija Puharich - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2. Andrija Puharich - The Red Pill
3. Tesla's Death Ray machine
4. Andrija Puharich Lecture Part1 - YouTube
5. Andrija Puharich Lecture Part2 - YouTube
6. Nikola Tesla Inventions. Tesla Coil Inventor.
7. Contents
8. Puharich: A Way to Peace through ELF Waves.
9. Andrija Puharich: Information from Answers.com
10. Wizard: The Life and Times of Nikola Tesla - Marc J. Seifer - Google Books
11. http://www.comp.dit.ie/dgordon/Resea.../TeslaBook.pdf
12. Harnessing the Wheelwork of Nature - Tesla's Science of Energy: http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/P31.pdf

Cheers

[TeslaSecrets]

The difference between radio and Wardenclyffe from the man himself:

I am not producing radiation in my system; I am suppressing electromagnetic waves. But, on the other hand, my apparatus can be used effectively with electromagnetic waves. The apparatus has nothing to do with this new method except that it is the only means to practice it. So that in my system, you should free yourself of the idea that there is radiation, that energy is radiated. It is not radiated; it is conserved.- Nikola Tesla

The internet is essentially a technology providing something for free at the cost of those who invested in its creation. Sure you have to have an ISP, but to say we shouldn't have developed such a technology because people might use it for spam or porn or might get something for free is a ridiculous argument, considering the overall benefit and advancement to humanity it has provided.

Tesla had a similar vision for power transmission and it is likely some means to "charge" for it could have been devised had the idea not been suppressed.

There seems to be a focus on the Wardencyffe for the wireless transmission of information, however Wardenclyffe was first and foremost a means to transmit wireless industrial power, not information. The ability of Wardenclyffe to transmit information, was a secondary application.

[TeslaSecrets]

@Berg

Thanks for the links.

I found a very interesting reference to Stanley Meyer's electrolysis cell, which pointed out his electrodes were coated with a thin insulating layer. That is Stanley Meyer's method was electrostatic, using high Voltage and not Current, to break the bonds of the Hydrogen to the Oxygen. It is this "high voltage electrostatic electrolysis" which can achieve the high efficiencies Mr. Meyer reported.

I also find it interesting if you research "Fuel Cell" in the common search engines today, you primarily get hits on Electrolysis methods and HHO cells for production of Hydrogen from water, which are not "Fuel Cells.

A Fuel Cell is all about combining Hydrogen and Oxygen to get electricity, the complete opposite of the electrolysis method for the production of Hydrogen.

Just like if you search "Tesla" you primarily get hits on the "Tesla Roadster" car and not the man, Nikola Tesla.

There are obvious and persistent efforts to suppress this type of information, contrary to what the average person might believe.

[Farmhand]

The difference between radio and Wardenclyffe from the man himself:



The internet is essentially a technology providing something for free at the cost of those who invested in its creation. Sure you have to have an ISP, but to say we shouldn't have developed such a technology because people might use it for spam or porn or might get something for free is a ridiculous argument, considering the overall benefit and advancement to humanity it has provided.

Tesla had a similar vision for power transmission and it is likely some means to "charge" for it could have been devised had the idea not been suppressed.

There seems to be a focus on the Wardencyffe for the wireless transmission of information, however Wardenclyffe was first and foremost a means to transmit wireless industrial power, not information. The ability of
Wardenclyffe to transmit information, was a secondary application.

Some of us have studied the same resources as you TeslaSecrets and
discussed it in some detail as well as quoting the quote above and many
others. You're contradicting yourself you said in another post that the ground
wave is above the ground but Tesla says it is through the ground.

Keep reading that resource and quote the sections where he details the
efficiency and the estimated losses in the proposed Facility/plant.

Idle power losses.

Now, there is a vast difference between these two, the electromagnetic and current energies. That energy which goes out in the form of rays, is, as I have indicated here [on the diagram of Fig. 82], unrecoverable, hopelessly lost. You can operate a little instrument by catching a billionth part of it but, except this, all goes out into space never to return. This other energy, however, of the current in the globe, is stored and completely recoverable. Theoretically, it does not take much effort to maintain the earth in electrical vibration. I have, in fact, worked out a plant of 10,000 horse-power which would operate with no bigger loss than 1 percent of the whole power applied; that is, with the exception of the frictional energy that is consumed in the rotation of the engines and the heating of the conductors, I would not lose more than 1 percent. In other words, if I have a 10,000 horsepower plant, it would take only 100 horsepower to keep the earth vibrating so long as there is no energy taken out at any other place.

Earth currents. We are talking about ground waves using the Earth as a
conductor, not above ground waves or waves just above the ground.

It is far more due to the earth currents than to the radiated energy. I believe, indeed, that the radiated energy alone could not possibly produce the effect across the Atlantic. It is simply because they are incidentally sending a current through the globe -- which they think is their current -- that the receiver is affected. The current produces variations of potential at the earth's surface in Germany; these fluctuations of potential energize the circuit, and by resonance they increase the potential there and operate the receiver. But I do not mean that it is absolutely impossible to use my apparatus and operate with electromagnetic waves across the Atlantic or Pacific. I only say that according to calculations, for instance, which I have made of the Sayville plant, the radiated energy is very small and cannot be operative. I have also calculated the distribution of the charge on the antenna. I am told that the Sayville antenna is without abrupt changes of capacity. It is impossible. There are changes even in a cylindrical antenna; but particularly in that form at Sayville -- there are very abrupt changes.

I see no talk of any gains of energy, only gains of power. A power gain can be
shown with a battery and a capacitor.

Cheers

[boguslaw]

yes, it can be shown with capacitor.....but not alone....
Why is that instantaneous power magnification so important ? Why do people again and again build inverters ?

Imagine a situation : you have 1000W 12V to 240V DC-DC inverter and a small like 12Ah lead acid battery. You take a cup of water (a tiny cup) and a special home made small heater and you can boil it easily. Now , we know we cannot do that for a few liters because of capacity of battery is too small to provide continuous power at that level.
The essence is that we need exactly that power we get , nothing more...but extended in time in continuous mode. All is fine and understandable so far.
How about an upgrade ? Divide those few liters into many little cups and boil them independently ? Well, we know that wouldn't work...except if at each small cup we could somehow recover the initial energy put into boiling operation.....for example by taking a heat from environment... ha ha heat pump to boil water to get heat ? but the idea is to be used everywhere, not just for heat....especially if magnetic field around wire obey Newton III law

[epwpixieq-1]

on the magnifying effect

Here is some point according to Tesla, on the magnifying effect:
"The electrical system illustrated in the upper figure of diagram c is exactly the same in principle, the two wires or circuits ESP and E1S1P1, which extend vertically to a height, representing the two tuning-forks with the pistons attached to them. These circuits are connected with the ground by plates E, E1, and to two elevated metal sheets P, P1, which store electricity and thus magnify considerably the effect."
( source: "The problem of increasing human energy" "The Problem of Increasing Human Energy" by Nikola Tesla )

It is quite clear that in this particular explanation of the underlying system and phenomena for transferring electrical ENERGY via the Ground, the magnification factor in the system, according to Tesla, is a function of the (already) stored electricity ( whatever that may be ), or the electrical pressure, exerted over the end (free) capacitance plate P1 ( or globe ) on the receiving tuned system.
In this case the electricity on P1 ( or maybe the electrical pressure on it ) plays a role that allows the receiver to do more work than from the power it receives via the ground vibrations.
Note that in CSN, Tesla often uses different coils in tuning of the receiver.

This makes interesting connection with a phamouse quote of Archimedes: "Give me a fulcrum, and I shall move the world."

It seams that the pressure on P1 can be interpreted, in mechanical terms, as the longer part of the pole, between the fulcrum and the side of force application, the electrical vibration via the ground, and the work being done ( in the electrical terms ) as the short part of the pole lifting a heavy object.