Is it just me? I'm not seeing much evidence for either Suppression or FE?

[Ein~+ein]

As I said before I think its a combination of suppression and complexity of the technology.

According to Mark Dansie and many others, a significant number of FE claims are made by inaccurate or incomplete measurements (often unintentionally). It appears even JLN Labs falls into this category.

I don't think hi-efficient / lo-cost solar is much of a threat to oil.

Then take the current EROI of solar and double it a few times. With increased demand, oil isn't about to get any cheaper--what do you think triggered the subprime meltdown if not peak oil? Note that the world isn't even waiting for hi-efficiency solar---global demand is already increasing exponentially.

im not sure it would ever be possible to paint your car with solar paint and produce enough power to drive. Even if it were, would anyone be able to afford it? What about a rainy week, no one goes to work?

Of course not. Even under ideal test conditions, a 1 m2 panel at 20% efficiency will only produce 200 watts--enough for a scooter. But that's just where electrolysis comes in. It's not power-on-demand, there's a loss in producing the hydrogen but it's clean tech and where the auto industry is definitely headed.

If you are naive enough to believe the military industrial complex does not possess far more advanced technology than we are aware of, ask your self this...

What would you yourself develop with a yearly salary of a couple hundred billion dollars and having all of the nations brightest minds at your disposal?

You really think they only know as much about things like gravity, as we do? I would think again.

I honestly don't know. Do you? But I'm not about to fabricate an entire belief system out of some unsubstantiated premise as many others including Sterling Allan and UFO enthusiasts have done. The danger in such thinking is it can turn people into psychopaths--completely out of touch with reality? It's a particularly Hollywood-induced, American phenomenon to ascribe such god-like powers to the military-industrial complex. The number of threats on Obama's life have already exceeded Bush's. If I photoshop Obama and Biden with a few aliens in the oval office, I'm sure many would fall for it.

[Mad Scientist]

But I'm not about to fabricate an entire belief system out of some unsubstantiated premise as many others including Sterling Allan and UFO enthusiasts have done.

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And speaking of the unbelievable how about this? Would you think it is possible to take two pieces of mild steel (non-magnetic) and briefly expose them to a magnetic field for a fraction of a second and get them to stick and remain together? Oh and other then being stuck together they should not exhibit and any magnetic properties.

[Ein~+ein]

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Those ETs sure sound humanoid, don't they?

And speaking of the unbelievable ...

So you admit, UFOs are 'unbelievable' and yet still choose to believe in them!?!? See what I mean about belief as a choice?

...how about this?

It's called Perpetual Motion Holder or PMH and purportedly discovered by Ed Leedskalnin. I posted a videmo of one a while back.

I first became interested in the subject of FE by hearing Thane Heins being described as a 'mad scientist' but after watching some of his videmos, I began questioning the use of that derogatory term. It seemed to me he was really onto something big. It took a bit of cybersleuthing to realize that, yes, Heins really was 'mad'---either that or deliberately trying to deceive others for personal gain.

So what does Thane Heins have to do with UFOs and fabricated beliefs based on false premises? Everything!

Any social psychologist will tell you the strength of one's convictions has very little to do with observable evidence. Religious belief is a prime example. Most think Heins is simply mad, or delusional. Watch his YouTube videmos and tell me your opinion. Social psychologists will also tell you delusions can be contagious. Look at how many have attempted to replicate his results in vain, both here and on similar websites. Fact is, Heins shows no interest in his stated goal of saving the planet or ending oil-dependency or he'd assist all those attempting to replicate his OU devices, after all, he's offered free licencing.

Members here often ask me why I myself am not engaged in FE device replication. Well, actually I am. There's a 15th or 16th C manuscript (SEE BELOW) in Calgary, Alberta, one of 3 copies in existence that documents the use of at least one FE device among other bizarre phenomenon. The device in question is of simple construction and common enough then as it is now but capable of flight without any fuel or apparent energy source. Actually, I have one such device in my apartment I've been experimenting with but I just can't get the incantation right. Is it 'engardium leviosa' or ....?

[Allcanadian]

@Einstein

So you admit, UFOs are 'unbelievable' and yet still choose to believe in them!?!? See what I mean about belief as a choice?

The problem I see with this argument is that I and a friend saw a UFO, an unidentified craft left a larger one made a perfect 90 degree arcing turn and accelerated straight out of the atmosphere at astronomical speeds. No noise, no flames belching from the rear and no vapor trail. As well I have about 20 years of theoretical and practical experience in aerodynamics so to say I didn't know what I was seeing is BS.

In which case your argument is absurd because it is based solely on the fact that you personally have never seen one. So we are left with the question -- does reality revolve around your personal opinion and things you personally can see?. I hope you can appreciate how absurd this sounds and yet we have heard it all before. Almost every great discovery was ridiculed by egomaniacs who believed their opinion could not possibly be wrong and they harassed the scientists until such time as they could not longer deny the discovery. The latest fiasco was the Down wind faster than the wind discovery and damn near every expert in the field made themselves look like fools.

Now don't read too much into this because for the most part I agree with what your saying however your justification for it is ridiculous. To say we should not believe in anything just because we have never seen it for ourselves is absurd for obvious reasons. This is where intelligence and reason come into play, a truly intelligent person is generally intelligent enough to know they cannot know everything which is why they say "I do not know". An egomaniac who thinks they know everything but obviously cannot says we should not believe something because they don't believe it and have never seen it for themselves.

AC

[Mad Scientist]

Those ETs sure sound humanoid, don't they?

Yes they most certainly do. But then what should they sound like? However without any hard evidence one way of the other the only thing you can do is analyze what they say. This leaves you two choices either they have the some of the wildest and most vivid imagines around and have nothing better to do with they time then mess with your mind or they are actually describing things that they have experienced.

It's called Perpetual Motion Holder or PMH and purportedly discovered by Ed Leedskalnin. I posted a videmo of one a while back.

imposable or that you would be able to detect its magnetic field. So the only way too get them to accept it you would have to actually place one in their hand for them to believe it or they would be forced to just take your word for it.

[Ufopolitics]

Oak Ridge 1950,,,

OBJECTS SIGHTED OVER OAK RIDGE, TENNESSEE Page 1

21 October 1950/FAO #8, P.O. Box 379, Knoxville, Tennessee

(Refer: Summaries of Information, Subject; as above, dated 13 and 17 October 1950)

Attached to this Summary is eleven (11) inclosures which tend to clarify information contained in the former two (2) Summaries of Information on
SUBJECT. This inclosures are composed of witness statements; background information concerning previous sightings of peculiar objects over Oak Ridge;
and radar reports. The most reliable sources available were utilized in the compilation of this reports. The employment records and the Federal Bureau of
Investigation reports concerning the witnesses were inspected to ascertain their reliability, integrity, and loyalty to the United States Government.

The opinions of the officials of the Security Division, AEC, Oak Ridge; Security Branch, NEPA Division, Oak Ridge; AEC Security Patrol, Oak Ridge;
FBI, Knoxville; Air Force Radar and Fighter Squadrons, Knoxville; and the OSI, Knoxville Tennessee, fail to evolve an adequate explanation for SUBJECT,
however the possibilities of practical jokers, mass hysteria, balloons of any description, flights of birds (with or without cobwebs or other objects attached),
falling leaves, insects swarms, peculiar weather conditions, reflections, flying kites, objects thrown from the ground, windblown objects, insanity, and many other natural happenings have been rejected because of the simultaneous witnessing of the objects with the reported radar sightings; because of the reliability of the witnesses; because of the detailed, similar description of the objects seen by different persons; and because of impossibility.

The trend of opinions seem to follow three patterns of thought. The first is that the objects are a physical phenomenon which have a scientific explanation;
the second is that the objects are experimental objects (from an undetermined source) guided by electronics; and the third is similar to the second except that an intended demoralization or harassment is involved.

The fantastic is generally rejected.

These objects have apparently followed only two patterns. The first is that they were sighted at the same hour on two consecutive days and the second
is that the time of flight is either to or from the Northeast and Southwest, which directions parallel the terrain ridges in this locality.

UFOPOLITICS.COM

From the FBI Vault/ Unknown Phenomena/UFO/ 16 of 16/ Pages from 45 to 92

http://vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO/Part_16_of_16/view

Now...Do not bother trying to visit that page at bottom of Quoted Text, it does not exist anymore...FBI "Mysteriously disappear it without explanation", HOWEVER, I took my time to transfer it to pdf format, Copy and Propagate it ALL this files...and then some more...

As I also have ALL Originals...signed,sealed and delivered...

My FULL Transcripts below (Originals were very bad quality Photo-Copies, and "black out" lots of lines...did not wanted Us to see...)

MY FULL PDF HERE (TO READ ONLINE)

THE PDF DOWNLOADABLE LINK HERE


On a separate note:


This ET's "Harassment" started right after Two Atomic Bombs were dropped (UNNECESSARILY) at Hiroshima and Nagasaki...Aug 1945...
Oak Ridge Tennessee Nuclear Plant ...was where the "final touches" were performed on the "faulty so far" Plutonium Nine something...as many "tests" were performed there...

This "Disclosure" from U.S FBI...was done right after the Vatican and MANY other European Countries opened their "X FILES"...May 14 2011

Obviously US and the FBI, "retracted" to continue with this Disclosure...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

A "UFO"...in Oak Ridge Tennessee...1950.

A "Nice" Report...on same SUBJECT...

OBJECTS SIGHTED OVER OAK RIDGE, TENNESSEE Page 7

17 October 1950 CIC, FAO # 8, P.O Box 379 , Knoxville Tennessee

(Refer: Summary of Information, Subject: as above, dated 15 Oct
1950)

On 13 October 1950 Atomic Energy Security Patrol Trooper, Edward D. Rymer, and a caretaker, John Moneymaker, from the University of Tennessee
Research Farm, at Oak Ridge, saw an object at about 12,000 to 15,000 feet above Soloway Gate on the "Control Zone". This object appeared to be an
aircraft which was starting to make an outside loop, trailing smoke behind. Soon these two men realized that the formerly described smoke behind the aircraft
was a tail. This object continued to descend in a controlled dive, much slower than an aircraft would dive, and when it approached the ground it levelled off
and flew slowly, parallel to the ground. This object came within two hundred and ten (210) feet of the two observers and was paralleling the ground at approximately the
speed that a man could walk, at a height of approximately six (6) feet. Trooper Rymer attempted to approach the object but as he approached the object
became smaller and started moving in a southeasterly direction. This object is said to have approached a nine (9) foot cyclone chain link fence and made a
controlled movement to clear the fence, then a Willow tree, then a telephone post and wire, after which the object gained momentum and altitude and cleared a
hill at approximately one (1) mile away. The object appeared to be pear shaped.

When this object was over the hill it was still visible as the same sized object that was observed when only fifty (50) feet away. (The explanation given was that this object grew larger as it gained altitude and speed.)
Approximately five minutes later the object appeared again having reappeared from approximately the same location from which it had disappeared. The object was seen again five minutes later for approximately ten seconds.

During the above happening, Mr. John Moneymaker had visual reference of this object during its first slight for approximately seven minutes. Trooper Rymer was interrupted twice during which times he called his headquearters in an attempt to get other observers. Also, during the fantastic flight of this object, Trooper Rymer stopped Mr. E.W. Hightower, who was on the highway in his vehicle, to verify what was being seen. Mr. Hightower's statement substantiates the description as before.

By the time the object appeared the second time, Joe Zarzecki, Capt. of the Atomic Energy Commission Security Patrol, was present and also witnessed this phenomenon.

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OBJECTS SIGHTED OVER OAK RIDGE, TENNESSEE Page 8

Each of the observers described the object substantially as follows:

a. When the object was first sighted it appeared to be an aircraft, trailing smoke, or better described as "smoke writing".

b. When the object was approaching the ground in its descent, it took the shape of a bullet with a large tail.

c. When the object was sighted from ground (from approximately two hundred and ten (210) feet) it appeared to be approximately the size of a 2x5 card, with a twenty (20)foot ribbon tail. The object and the and the tail was alternately moving up and down, and the ribbon appeared to be waving in the breeze. The color was a metallic grey.

d. When the Trooper Rymer came within fifty (50) feet of the object he described it similar to the above except that the two and one half feet (17 1/2) feetof the tail appeared almost transparent and was glowing, intermittently, in sections. The tail appeared to have four or five sections which would glow intermittently. Trooper Rymer's record is among the best of the troopers at the Atomic Energy Commission Security Patrol. Mr. John Moneymaker holds badge No. UT-1817, and is employed by the University of Tennessee Agricultural Research
Farm as a caretaker for small animals. Mr. E.W. Hightower holds badge No. 6633 and is an employee of the Maxon Construction Company. The Controller, Capt. W. Akin, of Detachment No. 2, 662 AC and W Sqd., McGhee-Tyson Airport, P.O Box 202, Maryville, Tennessee, at the Knoxville Airport Radar Site, made a report that he had seen peculiar readings on the radar scopes at approximately 1520 hours. Apparently the radar picture was indefinite, intermittent, and inaccurate, because the objects sighted by radar would only make a short "painting" on the scope and would then disappear only to reappear at another location.

On October 16 1950, at approximately 1520 hours, five persons (as yet unknown) sighted objects hovering over the K-25 plant at Oak Ridge, Tennessee. Further information and description is expected from this sources. However, the radar scopes at Knoxville Airport were giving an unintelligible reading. Apparently the Commanding Officer was reluctant to make any statement concerning these readings due to higher Headquarters doubting the event of the past few days.

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OBJECTS SIGHTED OVER OAK RIDGE, TENNESSEE Page 9

Nevertheless, a fighter aircraft from the 5th Fighter Sqd. was sent to identify an object which was reported to be hovering over K-25. Upon approaching the area the radar equipment aboard the aircraft got an image on its scope and the pilot pursued this image and identified it a a light type aircraft. Ground observers state that the fighter plane passed beneath the object which they were observing. The Security Division, Atomic Energy Commission, will attempt to have the observers, or some of the observers, make these same statements while undergoing a polygraph test.

Further information will be submitted as soon as possible as soon as an adequate verification has been obtained.


SOURCE:

Atomic Energy Security Patrol Trooper, Edward D. Rymer;
John Moneymaker; Joe Zarzecki, Cap. of the Atomic Energy Security Patrol;
E.W. Hightower; Officials of the Atomic Energy Commission, Security Division;
Major Care, Capt. W. Akin, McGhee-Tyson Radar Site.

My Pleasure...


Ufopolitics

[jdodson]

I honestly don't know. Do you? But I'm not about to fabricate an entire belief system out of some unsubstantiated premise as many others including Sterling Allan and UFO enthusiasts have done. The danger in such thinking is it can turn people into psychopaths--completely out of touch with reality? It's a particularly Hollywood-induced, American phenomenon to ascribe such god-like powers to the military-industrial complex.

If everyone knew everything with absolute certainty, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Only the privatized military corporations know what they have. They will never willingly tell us their secrets. They are not competing with us (the public), they are competing against other super powers like china. Which means it does not matter if something sounds impossible to them...They must spend time and money pushing the boundaries of what we think is real. That's how discoveries happen. Any discovery gives us an advantage which ultimately ensures national security.

Hollywood-induced, American phenomenon to ascribe such god-like powers to the military-industrial complex.

America having the largest black budget the world has ever seen, doesn't help. lol

There are literally hundreds of thousands of video's and images taken over the decades that show "Unidentified Flying Objects". Also, think about this, Ben Rich the fahter of the stealth fighter and the former head of a private military corporation had made some interesting statements.

Less than two years later (jan. 95'), he died of cancer.


Also astronauts have even come forward to say they seen ufo's themselves. Gordon Cooper said himself a craft landed at a base.

He held claim until his death that the U.S. government is indeed covering up information about UFOs. He gave the example of President Harry Truman who said on April 4, 1950, "I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on Earth." He also pointed out that there were hundreds of reports made by his fellow pilots, many coming from military jet pilots sent to respond to radar or visual sightings from the ground.[8] In his memoirs, Cooper wrote he had seen other unexplained aircraft several times during his career, and also said hundreds of similar reports had been made. He further claimed these sightings had been "swept under the rug" by the U.S. government.[5] Throughout his later life Cooper expressed repeatedly in interviews he had seen UFOs and described his recollections for the documentary Out of the Blue.[5]

Two years after telling us what he seen, he died of heart complications.
Astronaut Gordon Cooper Talks About UFOs - YouTube


Finally there is Steven Greer who created the disclosure project: The Disclosure Project
Recently released was the Sirius Documentary: The Sirius Documentary © 2013
It was directed by an emmy award winning director.

The sirius documentary basically highlights everything dr greer has done and is doing. Its currently for rent but will eventually be free to watch on youtube im sure. You can probably already find a free copy online. They diagnose an apparent alien looking creature. They have scanned it and done the blood work with gene mapping. It appears to be partially human, however there is nothing in the genetic code which would describe why it has so many deformities. It was a living creature who was alive for 6-8 years.

Steven Greer has claimed to brief people in former high positions of government. He claims to have a dead mans trigger which means he if suddenly dies of a heart attack or cancer he will probably release everything he has on all of his sources. Recently people he cared for, close to him, have apparently died of cancer.

Think about the properties of these unidentified craft. Why do they seem to be balls of light?
What are the biggest problems to transportation? Distance, Inertia, and collision.
A ball of light now makes perfect sense. Matter transmuted into light would be weightless, no inertia. No mass or friction reducing its ability to attain the speed of light. No collisions, instead of hitting a space rock and blowing up it would potentially travel right through the rock like any other form of electromagnetic wave.

Amazing isn't it?, the only real form of craft that makes any sense to potentially be inter galactic is the exact kind of unidentified craft that we see in the skies.

If it walks, quacks, and looks like a duck....its probably a duck.

John Hutchinson - Anti-Gravity
UFO's Energy System by John Hutchinson - YouTube
John discovered anti gravity in his own garage. This alone proves mere frequency of radio waves can transmute matter at its foundation level and actually cause it to lose weight.

Unlike a UFO...you cant see Free Energy. A machine that produces FE compared to one that is fake could look and sound identical. The biggest thing FE devices have in common with UFO's is that too many people have too much time on their hands and apparently love making fake videos on youtube lol.

I've spoken to people on youtube who would swear up and down telekinesis is nonsense, while replying to videos that I am 100% certain were authentic.

[PhysicsProf]

Thanks, jdodson.

From your reference:

credence to reports that the U.S. military has been flying vehicles that mimic alien craft. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars. First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion. Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong.

2.

[PhysicsProf]

[ewizard]

Proof of Suppression by hundreds of

I dare anyone to view these 2 videos and then say there is NO suppression. These are hundreds of high level military (mostly retired), intelligence operatives (retired) and other highly credible witnesses who have proven credentials. They PROVE the suppression is going on and how extensive it is as well as the reasons why - which are all related to keeping humanity enslaved with old polluting and unsafe energy technology. I know these are long but really worth it and you cannot say you are informed on the suppression topic if you have not seen these. These are the newer 2008 versions:

Sirius Documentary (2008) (Part 1) - YouTube

Sirius Documentary (2008) (Part 2) - YouTube

[Mad Scientist]

I dare anyone to view these 2 videos and then say there is NO suppression.

Sirius Documentary (2008) (Part 1) - YouTube

Sirius Documentary (2008) (Part 2) - YouTube

OK I watched and listened to the documentary, impressive. That was an interesting bunch of people that they were able to drag off the street for an interview.

But of course we all know that the world is flat and the universe revolves around us and that we are the highest and most intelligent beings that exist. Plus we have been told the world is no more then a few thousands years old. So how can we allow these heretics and non-believers to go around spouting all these lies? The only way to be truly enlighten and free is we must close our eyes and ears and turn away from these skeptics lies and believe only what our masters tell us.

[Ein~+ein]

Seems we're back to the spherical reasoning again.

FE exists! --> How do you know? --> Because, along with captured aliens and UFOs, it's obviously suppressed. --> How do you know? --> Because the TPTB (which includes FE inventors) prefer to keep us enslaved for their own interests --> How do you know? --> Because FE exists!

Like I said, the omniscience, and omnipotence you people assign to TPTB borders on the religious... and not one link on this thread to an OU device.

[ewizard]

Nice try E. But either you didn't watch the videos or you totally missed that we know FE is suppressed because highly credible witnesses have testified that it is being suppressed, that they have seen FE technology and they have been told it must not be allowed for the general public and have been seriously threatened if they say anything.

[kEhYo77]

Free energy exists, everything revolves in the universe without burning fossil fuels.
An atom is the simplest example of a perpetual motion machine. We just do not know how to use it without smashing it up.
The biggest suppression is the absence of "phi" (golden mean) in school curriculum, don't you agree?
It's a matter of time for the truth to be revealed...
Ancient Knowledge Pt.4 The Real Secret Of How The Pyramids Were Built & Coral Castle
and here is a part on archeological SUPPRESSION
Ancient Knowledge Pt.4.5 Scientific & Historical Misconceptions, Suppression & Manipulation of Info