Mikey's Beast SSSG OSCILLATOR

[alman]

Mikey,
I think when Aaron mentions self oscillate he is meaning basically 'solid state' when referring to Bedini ssg's. As moving the trigger on the ssg and the higher resistance to make it "self oscillate" are the only difference between this oscillator and the wheeled ones. The wheeled ssgs are triggered by the magnet pass, where as the trigger will self trigger on the solid state version. Aln

[genessc]

Best reference for bedini designed circuits is the "free energy generation" book from beardens cheniere.org website. It lists the different schematics that bedini offers as useful/practical. Also usually on the self oscillating configs the diode on emitter to base are removed and replaced with a resistance, usually 10kohms. Depends which self oscillator ones looking at tho. Out of all beardens books, that one with bedini was probably the most useful versus most of the others being all about Theory... and speculation.

Cheers,
Gene

Mikey,
I think when Aaron mentions self oscillate he is meaning basically 'solid state' when referring to Bedini ssg's. As moving the trigger on the ssg and the higher resistance to make it "self oscillate" are the only difference between this oscillator and the wheeled ones. The wheeled ssgs are triggered by the magnet pass, where as the trigger will self trigger on the solid state version. Aln

[Aaron]

self oscillation vs forced oscillation

Mikey,
I think when Aaron mentions self oscillate he is meaning basically 'solid state' when referring to Bedini ssg's. As moving the trigger on the ssg and the higher resistance to make it "self oscillate" are the only difference between this oscillator and the wheeled ones. The wheeled ssgs are triggered by the magnet pass, where as the trigger will self trigger on the solid state version. Aln

Right - self oscillation trigger stays same as on SG with one end of trigger winding going to ground and increasing base resistance.

Forced oscillation is with trigger to the positive instead of negative. Forced oscillation can normally run with an input going much lower than normal. So on a "joule thief" type circuit lighting LED's, can drain the battery much lower if needed compared to self oscillation.

[BroMikey]

Mikey,
I think when Aaron mentions self oscillate he is meaning basically 'solid state' when referring to Bedini ssg's. As moving the trigger on the ssg and the higher resistance to make it "self oscillate" are the only difference between this oscillator and the wheeled ones. The wheeled ssgs are triggered by the magnet pass, where as the trigger will self trigger on the solid state version. Aln

Right - self oscillation trigger stays same as on SG with one end of trigger winding going to ground and increasing base resistance.

Forced oscillation is with trigger to the positive instead of negative. Forced oscillation can normally run with an input going much lower than normal. So on a "joule thief" type circuit lighting LED's, can drain the battery much lower if needed compared to self oscillation.

Okay yes I knew that, I just couldn't think of what it meant, but you see this all the time on youtube where the man will have a JOHN BEDINI SSG running along with the standard magnets and all at once he will stop the wheel. The self oscillation with the wheel stopped is still charging away.

No I have never built an SSG.

Okay got it. Thanks gentlemen.

I should be getting my fast diodes soon. Also I had to get some 15 watt 220 ohm resistors last night. And not those axial lead types from China either, these resistors are the real thing for high powered operations, such as we see with the TESLA CHARGERS for solar applications.

Gonna be sweet.

Thanks, Aaron and Aln



Mikey

[alman]

Right - self oscillation trigger stays same as on SG with one end of trigger winding going to ground and increasing base resistance.

Forced oscillation is with trigger to the positive instead of negative. Forced oscillation can normally run with an input going much lower than normal. So on a "joule thief" type circuit lighting LED's, can drain the battery much lower if needed compared to self oscillation.

Aaron I did not know the part in red, thank you for sharing, lots of very similar circuits and many times the reasons for variations are unknown to the newbies. Aln

[BroMikey]

Aaron I did not know the part in red, thank you for sharing, lots of very similar circuits and many times the reasons for variations are unknown to the newbies. Aln

Right - self oscillation trigger stays same as on SG with one end of trigger winding going to ground and increasing base resistance.

Forced oscillation is with trigger to the positive instead of negative. Forced oscillation can normally run with an input going much lower than normal. So on a "joule thief" type circuit lighting LED's, can drain the battery much lower if needed compared to self oscillation.

The more I think about it the less I realize I understand it all These small entries help to maintain the focus long enough to give me more time to grasp other concepts I had not thought of.

I would imagine that Aaron's books are an excellent resource to poor over so many complicated principles. And naturally someone is going to jump up right about now with their bad attitude and say that "Aaron thinks he is so smart"

You know what i say to that? He is not the only young men who understands so many of these missing links in true science but he is one of the few who writes it all down. And one thing I can tell you about writing things down is you are forced to hear you own words so all of the fine details can be added in around the main subject.

Aaron. you are a good writer. You will be rewarded.

[KimK]

Question on resistance

Mike thanks for this thread your a shinny spoke in this wheel of friends on this forum. I'm working best I can I have very little exp. In electronics. I've built a bike wheel Ssg. And bought sm window motor from rick it runs great i love it and have learned a lot.
I have a question. I am atempting to build a ss ssg like your beast. I have a 7 filer wound 6-18 awg 1-23awg I have 6 mjl21194 and 6-1n5408 for out put. I'm unsure what values for the resiters. Any help would be appreciated.
PS we should all pray for GM I hope he is OK.


Thanks much kmk

[BroMikey]

Mike thanks for this thread your a shinny spoke in this wheel of friends on this forum. I'm working best I can I have very little exp. In electronics. I've built a bike wheel Ssg. And bought sm window motor from rick it runs great i love it and have learned a lot.
I have a question. I am atempting to build a ss ssg like your beast. I have a 7 filer wound 6-18 awg 1-23awg I have 6 mjl21194 and 6-1n5408 for out put. I'm unsure what values for the resiters. Any help would be appreciated.
PS we should all pray for GM I hope he is OK.


Thanks much kmk

Thank you for you gracious words. If you want to find out, always start higher, say 5000 ohms which sounds ridiculous. Always use an AMP METER while connecting your resistor and just tap the connection as fast as you can to see if you are sending the nettle all of the way over.

Then go to a 4000 ohm and 2000 ohm. Mine is running tonight on a 1200 ohm resistor and the current draw is 1 amp. If I put two 1.2k ohm resistors in series my amp draw is about 3/4 amp. If I put three in series for a 3.6k ohm value, my draw is 1/2 amp or .5amp.

I use 10-15 watt cement resistors like this one




Your goal is to start and run on a few mili-amps. Use a 5 amp analog meter

[BroMikey]

A Question to Technical Support

I have often wondered why my Oscillators stop oscillating when I run up the input voltage from 12vdc to 40vdc? My joule thief does the same thing. Once I get up past 12vdc it stops working right.

I think the coil on a Bedini Oscillator must be rewound to run higher input voltages? I want to run up my input to 30-40vdc but it stops oscillating.

I heard John B. say the coil would have to be rewound but I never heard what the changes would be. Maybe a longer length? I have 130 feet now so maybe 260 feet?

Mikey

[genessc]

Yeap, to use higher voltages you want higher inductance, higher resistance windings in place. I have a 6 strand 20awg 1lb per winding on a single common pittsfield spool under my 6inch bedini style ceramic all north out rotor. Input to it gets ramped up to 120vdc... output is that plus some...

Not really practical for charging batteries, but it runs lights. I have a second stator of 18awg 1lb per winding on the same pittsfield core that I never got around to swapping in to bring the input volts back down a bit.

One other thing thats nice to do on the rotor version of the SG is to put like a 47ohm resistor in series with the Potentiometer on the trigger strand to make sure you never turn it down to zero ohms and destroy the transistor by overloading current. (could be a 20ohm or whatnot, depends what peak voltage you're inputting.) Just another safety means...

Gene

I have often wondered why my Oscillators stop oscillating when I run up the input voltage from 12vdc to 40vdc? My joule thief does the same thing. Once I get up past 12vdc it stops working right.

I think the coil on a Bedini Oscillator must be rewound to run higher input voltages? I want to run up my input to 30-40vdc but it stops oscillating.

I heard John B. say the coil would have to be rewound but I never heard what the changes would be. Maybe a longer length? I have 130 feet now so maybe 260 feet?

Mikey

[BroMikey]

That is over 320 feet for a pound of wire. Thank you Gene. So now I need a longer peace of wire. If I run at 30-40 volts input, how would I figure out what the optimum length might be?

I don't want to ask a million questions and put you out. But it sure is good to have someone around like you who knows more than me.

Another idea, how about using 2 windings in series on my spool instead of one? See what I mean? But I heard John Bedini say he didn't want any breaks in the wire. So i don't know.

Also is can't go back down to 12vdc or 24vdc if I have built the machine for 45vdc input.

Your setup sounds so cool. I always safe guard the bases of my transistors with a minimum resistance, except for testing. Well maybe I should do it then also.

So your setup takes 120volts right off the wall? And then goes up to 300volts? Or what? I don't understand. Seems like people might run a trickle out of the wall and light all of their lights for half the cost?

Is that the idea? Either way Gene you are turning out to be a great help to me.

Mikey

Yeap, to use higher voltages you want higher inductance, higher resistance windings in place. I have a 6 strand 20awg 1lb per winding on a single common pittsfield spool under my 6inch bedini style ceramic all north out rotor. Input to it gets ramped up to 120vdc... output is that plus some...

Not really practical for charging batteries, but it runs lights. I have a second stator of 18awg 1lb per winding on the same pittsfield core that I never got around to swapping in to bring the input volts back down a bit.

One other thing thats nice to do on the rotor version of the SG is to put like a 47ohm resistor in series with the Potentiometer on the trigger strand to make sure you never turn it down to zero ohms and destroy the transistor by overloading current. (could be a 20ohm or whatnot, depends what peak voltage you're inputting.) Just another safety means...

Gene

[BroMikey]

Well it looks like I am going to buy some 16 awg at over 1200 feet per roll giving me 4 power strands at 260 feet per strand.

$130 dollars to the door.

I guess just trial and error on the proper length.

this way instead of going from 12-24vdc input's I might be able to go from 24-36 volt inputs with much better oscillations.

Gonna have to save my money. The transistors are here, the diodes are still coming and the wire will be next. I guess going out in the yard to twist that thing up is out of the question, gonna have to make a winder/twisting machine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdZETeUMRP8

[totoalas]

thanks for keeping this sssg alive and kicking
im also using patricks cap mode on alum batteries for 2 yrs now
iwant your beasty charger so can you draw again please
your present set up if possible with solar
1. which circuit u used first or second in first page?
2. i used ferrite tv cone and 6 23 gage 30 meters 240 mA consumtion
on 4 60 ah batteries.. what size of batteries you used and how nany?
3.. sg oscillator circuit? size of battery charger normal power
4. wattage of pc power supply?
5. a whole set up would be easy tofollow with ur latest parts used and the 3 leds in the base?
6. recommended solar panels on ur present set up
7. i prefer solid state for easy replication

thanks again
totoalas

[BroMikey]

thanks for keeping this sssg alive and kicking
im also using patricks cap mode on alum batteries for 2 yrs now
iwant your beasty charger so can you draw again please
your present set up if possible with solar
1. which circuit u used first or second in first page?
2. i used ferrite tv cone and 6 23 gage 30 meters 240 mA consumtion
on 4 60 ah batteries.. what size of batteries you used and how nany?
3.. sg oscillator circuit? size of battery charger normal power
4. wattage of pc power supply?
5. a whole set up would be easy tofollow with ur latest parts used and the 3 leds in the base?
6. recommended solar panels on ur present set up
7. i prefer solid state for easy replication

thanks again
totoalas

Yeah Man Same same First picture BUT I am changing the transistors to a new number. no more MJL21194.

Now I have MJL4281A for a 350 volt transisitor

Also I use better faster more powerful DIODES. They look like transistors but only 2 legs and go next to the transistors on the heat sink.




I blew up some transistors because my diodes are small. Way to small. So I explode the transistor and the diode together and throw it all away.

Today I am running 35vdc input with a nice diode and a BIG transistor at 3 amps. This is 100 watts input. I have 8 transistor and 8 fast diodes for a power of 800 watt easy but will run 200-400watts regularly.

2 solar panels will put out 19vdc +19vdc in series in hot sun = 38vdc max but 30vdc in low sun works great. My batteries are 2000 pounds at 1000ah 36vdc. Or 3000ah at 12vdc.

I need the beast Osc to feed my BIG DUMP This Dump charges up to 90-100vdc giving me 100's of amps of inrush. I can run cool in summer heat all day long at 600-800 watts if I need to but I like 400-500 watts better. Because my BIG BATTERY needs time to charge.

I have a 200 amp inverter or 3000/6000 ac power inverter so I need BIG BIG cables for discharging these BIG DOGS.

So you see the Oscillator feeds my cap bank the good stuff first. Then the dump runs MAX 3 pulse to the battery every second. Then I go to 2 pulse per second, then 1 pulse per second. Then float at 1 pulse every 5 seconds for months.

I am changing the BEAST OSC so it can do 12vdc from 100ma-3000ma, 24vdc from 100ma to 3000ma, 36vdc from 100ma to 3000ma operation switchable.

I am running cool parts tonight on a single strand of wire. I am using 2 transistors per wire and 2 diodes. Each strand of 14 awg in being tested at 6 amps 35vdc using 2 transistors and 2 diodes.

If I can stay cool, I will do all 4 strands of wire the same as the first.

My resistors are 15-20 watts to run cool on the base of the transistors.

All of this costs more money so I am going slow making sure I do it right. Still I do not have all of my diodes yet.

How many days does it take to charge two of your dead 60ah batteries on 240ma?

Mikey

[totoalas]

thanks for the swift reply what a goldmine of info
will upgrade mine to charge gof cart batteries
the batteries are 2007 and got them from the dump

v wll rise to 14 v dc in a single day and load it up with 220 v ac 40 watts of 8 5w led bulbs in jr 110 ma consumption fro m 6 pm to 9 am v dropped to 12.5 and charging starts again and have a loud ringing ... the ferrite tv toroid windings with a oven magnet increase the resonance and system run cool.... the 250 v cap by Patrick is great....
i used 60 watts oanel with charge controller
the other solar 2 10 w in series via renes emf charger 36 v r for two 7 ah batteriesr foir back up

the latter is enough fir ny 40 w lighting
the beasty i will use fir bigger load ..... try the ferrite cone plus nagnet
and u can see the difference

will be following ur update

thanks

totoalas