Single Wire Power - A Search for Ambient Power to do Wwork

[Duncan]

oh dear thx I never intended you suffer three hours of that video ! Sorry you did . As for flooding (HARRP?) there are thousands in a far worse state. Anyway as we conjecture and then conjecture again on that probable outcome the validity and truth of what we consider becomes more unlikely. It is really why I proposed a/one heavily sulphated battery and a brushed motor Then b/ capacitive charging . I knew each would work every time
without fail. conjecture is fine (in fact absolutely essential ) but here and there must be a dependable peg to hang our hats on.
You wonder at the feeble voltage Troweger records to be Honest I'm very surprised to see much at all I believe we are looking at a somewhat twisted and backward version of a RF receiver.
One of the sentences of EPD tells us that that for longitudinal wave work SWR must be infinity and not unity as with normal transverse wave RF work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5ZWrjcrPl4Researching the lead acid battery electrochemistry, sulfation, etc., I took a look at dendrites in lead acid batteries which are the lead crystals that grow in a battery that eventually short out the plates.

It kind of brought it all together - fractals, crystals, batteries, etc. Dendrite means "tree like". When examined under a microscope they clearly show their tree like structure and it immediately reminded me of Yagi antennas.

If any part of that could be shown true and definatly 'part of reception' and conversion are search would be greatly reduced. My train of thought was much the same as yours .. Where's the tuning ? This is a very simple construct for an SWR meter based on a wheatstone bridge

Simple Wideband SWR Meter | Circuit DiagramHarmonics, Triplen Harmonics, Adjustable Speed Drive, Power Quality

It can seperate harmonics from overtones .. as a Radio works on transverse electromagnetic waves So this contraption ideally requires tuned ,longtitudinal (waves) , at fundimental overtones This in turn attracts Telluric current into the series resonant circuit.
(just as a radio does with a parellel tuned circuit and the electromagnetic wave)
- The conversion you all ready seem to have a better grasp of than me .. that is already a step to far IMHO without another 'solid peg' still .. it fits .

[Bob Smith]

Lenz' Law - Our Best Friend

Hi Guys
Something I've been pondering quite a bit lately that seems like it might fit our subject at hand, as a piece in this jigsaw puzzle - perhaps a big piece at that.

If you take a high impedance coil and induce a voltage into that coil, Lenz' law tells us that an opposing voltage will arise to oppose the first induced voltage.

From whence does this opposing voltage arise? Well, it's the dielectric.

Now when we consider resonant systems how can we increase their interaction with the ambient medium, what do we need to do? One thing we can do is use high impedance coils. When a voltage is induced into these coils, we know that the dielectric realm will respond by giving rise to an opposing voltage into them. You want to get more ambient charge entering a system? Use strategically placed hi impedance coils.

Used in this way, a high impedance coil can turn what seems to be a closed system into very much an open system.

Now what might this have to do with sulfated batteries and flipping magnetic polarity. A sulfated battery is going to have its own high impedance. If we are inducing a potential difference across its terminals, the dielectric is going to respond with an opposing potential, and perhaps it is this opposing potential that produces its flip in magnetic polarity. In this way, perhaps Lenz is our best friend .

Bob

[Duncan]

suppressed technology . (Of course there is a huge force that wish to keep it suppressed. ) This particular law however is simple basic and over-riding IMHO

Energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be changed from one form to another.

[thx1138]

I don't like this turn of events overmuch !

Not to worry, Duncan. I don't think Lenz law applies in the case of a lead acid battery or any chemical battery for that matter. First of all Lenz law applies to current, not voltage, and induced current at that, i.e. induction via magnetic fields. In a lead acid battery we aren't dealing with induction but electrochemistry which is, indeed, current but not induced current. It is charge transfer via ions. There will be magnetic atomic and molecular magnetic fields associated with the charge transfer but they are not induced fields.

[Duncan]

[thx1138]

Historic discovery: huge electric field occurs spontaneously

A very interesting article published December 22, 2014:
Historic discovery: huge electric field occurs spontaneously in laughing gas | ScienceNordicNo external voltage was applied," remembers David Field, Professor at the Department of Physics and Astronomy at Aarhus University. Highlight added.

"This is the first time since the 1920s that anyone has discovered a new electrical form of solid material. The incredible thing is that work has been done on thin layers of materials -including laughing gas films - for more than half a century. Even so, no one has discovered this powerful electrical phenomenon" says Field.

Google search on topic:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...electric+field

I've been thinking for some time that if OU or "free energy" is going to be developed it would involve the material engineering sciences. That's what got me interested in BaTiO3, PbTiO3, crystal lattices, and and crystals. This article seems to support that idea.

I'm not sure this is useful to us because of the laboratory needed to reproduce it but I think it does indicate that it can be done.

[aljhoa]

Einstein's confusion over aether


Al

[thx1138]

The one thing that keeps being reaffirmed to me - particularly by one friend who is further along in this than I - is the importance of stressing the dielectric through a difference of potential within (and without) the system.

betweenTesla Lightning Protector

Modern Lightning Protection
http://www.lightningprotection.com/l...ng-protection/
Agro Bio Energy ? Lightening Protection System

If we look at lightning - we see a difference of potential between ionosphere and ground. The difference of potential stresses the dielectric (air) and results in dielectric breakdown: Lightning. Looking at the shape of lighning strikes, there is that same dendrite-like progression of shape, I think.

Understanding Lightning

I wonder if we also find the same potential difference and dielectric breakdown of sorts (facilitated by sulfate crystals) within the LA battery.

Electric Snow Crystal GrowthStellar Dendrites

For the growth of snowflakes the water in the air has to reach the already formed ice to accumulate and it is diffusion that controls this process. This link explains it much better.
Snowflake BranchingHow Lightning is Createdor amalgamated

[thx1138]

Batteries, Dendrites, Fractals, & Boundary Conditions

More thoughts on accessing the medium. Reply to Duncan' post #436.

Sorry it took me so long to get back to this. I had family obligations to handle.

I tried to post directly but it was too large and it wouldn't post even after breaking it into pieces so I put it in the attached PDF.

[thx1138]

This is nothing new we are looking for, its suppressed technology .

IMO, the whole suppressed technology dialog is a dead end. If it is suppressed, those who are suppressing it on such a scale have resources far beyond anything we can overcome. If it's not suppressed, it's simply misunderstood in today's terminology.

Without exception all the giants in this field point out we are in a sea of energy.
...
There is however if you accept that the wireless system of Tesla exists .

IMO, you're mixing apples and oranges. Generating electricity (transforming one energy to another) and transmitting and receiving that energy are two separate processes. Wardenclyffe had a steam powered generator. The beauty of the wireless transmission was that the generating plant could be located at the source (hydro, coal, whatever) and there would be no need for transmission lines to be built and maintained. Nor would there be a need to transport the fuel (coal, oil, gas, whatever) to the generating plant.

What Tesla failed to consider in his world wide power system was politics. Leaders of countries don't want to be dependent on another country for their power simply because the supplier can shut it off whenever they want for whatever reason. Look at Ukraine and Russia today. For that matter Europe and Russia. Generally there are more dictators than leaders and dictators won't give up that kind of control.

Yes, we are surrounded by immense amounts of energy. The problem as I see it is energy density. We live in a huge magnetic field but at any one location the magnetic energy density is only sufficient to move a needle that is balanced on a nearly frictionless jewel. There is a huge amount of electricity in the atmosphere and again the energy density is low because the atmosphere itself is huge. Think of the scale of the "machine" that is a thunderstorm that produces lightning. It collects electrical energy in the volume of the cloud of that thunderstorm yet the lightning bolt is tiny in comparison. Gravity? Ditto. There's a huge amount of gravity but we can overcome it with nothing more then chemical energy in our muscles because the density is low.

I don't think the solution is so mush a transformation from one form of energy to another as it is collecting large amounts of energy rapidly and channeling that energy to do work. That's what got me into the fractal flows of lightning, rivers, capillaries, etc. That's the y way nature does it. Think about the water cycle. Water evaporates, rises, moves, condenses, falls as rain and the ground collects it in creeks, streams, and rivers and that water flows through a hydroelectric generator and on to the ocean and the cycle repeats.

In essence, that's what every fueled generating system on earth uses. Heat the water to steam to spin a turbine connected to a generator, cool the water, and repeat. The point of the fuel is the energy density, be it coal, gas, oil, or nuclear.

Still I may be wide of the mark but there is a source , there is a logical progression , there is a transform , there is certainly suppression all around wireless and the longitudinal wave. (still is)

Look at the logical progression above. The water cycle uses the heat from the sun (nuclear) to heat the water. The sun also causes the weather with the tilt of the axis and the rotation of the planet that moves the air to carry the water vapor and mix warm and cold air to get the condensation and gravity pulls the condensed water to the ground and through the rivers and so through the generator. I guess you could call the phase changes of the water a transform from liquid (storage) to gas (for movement) to liquid (to exert force).

Those are phase changes of matter. Are there similar phase changes of energy? In particular, energy fields? Are gravity, magnetism, and electricity just different phases of some fundamental energy? If so, are there others?

[Duncan]

thx thanks for the info -- I'm still digesting. for consideration I post this link and draw attention of interest to circa 4 mins -high voltage effects on crystaline structure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uidD...&nohtml5=False
kind regards Duncan

[thx1138]

thx thanks for the info -- I'm still digesting. for consideration I post this link and draw attention of interest to circa 4 mins -high voltage effects on crystaline structure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uidD...&nohtml5=False
kind regards Duncan

Thanks. I've seen that video before but didn't catch the importance of that pasrt at the time. Consider the properties of lead titanate (PbTiO3) and barium titanate (BaTiO3) due to their crystal structure. The are members of a class of ceramics that have both piezoelectric and ferroelectric properties. Ferroelectricity presents a spontaneous electric polarity that can be reversed by the application of an external electric field. And the piezoelectric property presents an electric charge when encountering a mechanical stress. So would applying the high voltage, as mentioned in the video, create the physical stress to trigger both properties at the same time? Could it be used to apply a high voltage with a near zero current to the material to get a larger current response from the piezoelectric property with reversing polarity at the same time? I know barium titanate is used in solid capacitors (a fairly recent development) but I'm not sure how to go about testing this. More to ponder.


I saw this a couple of days ago World's smallest diode developed. If we can created diodes chemically it stands to reason that they can also be created naturally which raises the question, does this happen in lead-acid batteries and we've just been unaware of it?

[wantomake]

Good thread

thx thanks for the info -- I'm still digesting. for consideration I post this link and draw attention of interest to circa 4 mins -high voltage effects on crystaline structure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uidD...&nohtml5=False
kind regards Duncan

Wow Duncan good link!

It's worth research of the "floating" effect that was discovered in 1900 or so. Forgot when or whom he said. Will watch again.

HV, crystals, levitation, seems would make good thread to discuss.

wantomake

[Duncan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdtN_K2tHFo

He calls the design 'a voltage intensifier unit' being two chokes 'counter ' wound there is now much in common with Tesla's Bi-filar winding and likewise Edward Leedskalnin's PMH (both counter wound)
In common with the battery/ crystal effects we consider the crystals like Stans water are a 'di-electric'
Stan goes to great lengths not to reveal any clues as to how series resonance is accurately maintained . But perhaps a look at another approach by another researcher may offer an easier route in a round about way. To hold a resonant state on the crystal /battery?? structure.
MJN built a water fracture unit. As I recall he used far higher frequencies than Stan. His method was rather different in that he sacrificed a little energy in order to stabilise the wildly changing series resonant conditions within the cavities to known physical conditions and reactions of 'perfect' (clean)sine waves .
At the limits What isn't a sine wave or co- sine - must be longitudinal. for within a sine wave is every other shape ?? Michael explains himself how to heterodyne two 'perfect' sine waves in such a way and with the correct frequency spacing such that that the resultant occupies its own 'free space' and so go's on re-mixing using no energy (as there is no collision) 'ad infinitum'
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So, naturalists observe, a flea
Hath smaller fleas that on him prey;
And these have smaller still to bite 'em;
And so proceed ad infinitum.
Thus every poet, in his kind,
Is bit by him that comes behind.
Dean Jonathan Swift

http://www.energeticforum.com/111774-post102.html

So (as I see it) Michael was using fourier's transforms
Fourier Transform
in a rather novel way to guarantee a very low energy fracture I start to ponder if the same might apply across this crystal structure we consider ?

[thx1138]

It's worth research of the "floating" effect that was discovered in 1900 or so. Forgot when or whom he said. Will watch again.

Thomas Townsend Brown. Search "ionic lifters". It's not anti-gravity.