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  • Originally posted by GMC View Post
    I am no physicist.

    However to say Newton's 3rd law is wrong, based upon the mechanized machinery devices is in error. And plain wrong.

    While the guy can make his machine go on in a perpetual state, it is HE that has to sit there and exert the initial energy and continue to exert the force lest his balances and counter balances cease to operate.

    If he stops providing the initial inertia, his device will stop.

    You are looking at Newton's law from the improper perspective. And is he.

    While theorized, it has never been PROVEN, or demonstrated, the Newton's 3rd law is in error.

    FOr every action, there is and MUST be an equal and opposite reaction.

    IF this were not the case, you should be able to start your car, with a battery and gasoline, as we do now, yet have the engine then produce MORE energy than it needs, thus feeding itself so it will continue to run...or operate without gasoline needed other than to start.

    But, much like the mechanical contractions, once the energy ceases to exist, thus the motion will stop.

    THis is true in his machines and this is true with your car. Outta gas? You go no where.

    Newton's 3rd Law can also be interpreted as: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. THis means, from another view point, that there exists no possibility that any energy can produce MORE ENERGY than is required to sustain and produce continued energy.

    Why cannot a computer hold more than 64K in memory base chips?

    Even the metals balls that sit on desks that whack one another, sending the opposite ball in the opposite direction will eventually come to a stop.

    A grandfather clock needs re-winding.

    A wrist watch will one day need a new battery.

    The sun consumes far more hydrogen than it releases heat.

    This law is why all stars eventually die.

    Until someone builds and successfully demonstrates an energy motion that can produce MORE energy than is required to keep it in motion, Newton's 3rd Law stands.

    The evidence provided by a guy tapping a machine with his finger to keep it running does little to demonstrate the law is wrong or invalid.

    Neat and fun to watch. But nonetheless, if you are in the crowd that says Newton was / is wrong, you are going on faith and not evidence.

    As quantum mechanics has now at least theorized dark energy, as being far more prevalent than dark matter, it all adds up.

    Energy is NOT ALL matter, yet the matter is dependent upon the energy. Without one, there will not be the other. This is the proper interpretation of Newton's 3rd Law.

    Perhaps someone should be re-examining e=mc 2!

    If dark mater does exists, Einstein was wrong. Not Newton.

    Newton's Law is so true, it even works in the world of Kharma. What goes around, comes around.

    THat is how true Newton's 3rd law is. It supercedes matter. It even works in the etherial.

    But thanks for letting me blab!
    yes, forces obey the third law. kinetic energy does not. consider the rifle. the recoil is the momentum not the ke

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    • The gravity wheel comes alive finally!

      I find the same principals from F. M. Chalkalis device too.

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      Recommend that you review the video first F.M.CHALKALIS ENERGY MULTIPLIER

      Abstract.

      F. M. Chalkalis, he says, invented the power multiplier, which converts electrical energy into mechanical energy with an index of energy efficiency, he believes, is ten times greater than one. F.M.CHALKALIS ENERGY MULTIPLIER
      It's a open-loop system.

      The extra energy comes for the gravitational field and Inertia of the main moving object.

      F. M. Chalkalis has one trigger / timing motor on top and it keep turns the big sector keep rotating. The rotational force (Torque) of the sector is impressive.

      There is another person on Youtube who shows a gravity wheel with electric actuators right on the wheel. The person's previous design was identical to F.M Chalkalis device. A tiny motor keep pushing 30 - 40 little pendulums on the edge of the wheel. Later on, he change them to 4 or 5 big pendulums. One or two pendulum are electric actuators and do kicking to maintain the wheel rotation at certain speed.

      To harness the extra energy from Veljko's device, I would use a crankshaft and piston style mechanism to turn a big gear which will turn electric generator's shaft. For example, the weight ratio of trigger and main frame is 1:5, 2.5 extra energy can be used for external work.

      I prefer F. M. Chalkalis device cause it's in constant rotation and easy to control the torque and adjust timing.

      Furthermore, it's known fact is once an object starts moving, the force to maintain or increase speed gets less until certain degree. The terminal velocity of air occurs at 180km/h. The best speed for fuel millage is around 80km/h to 100km/h on most cars. To reach at 80km/h needs about 50hp and after that to maintain 80km/h speed requires 30hp (reduction of 20hp). But, the inertia of car lessen the force requirement.

      Honestly, I think M. Chalkalis' method will work on a any size of wheel too. It is the open-loop system. Not contradicting known physical laws. The more the wheel turns, the less force it needs to maintain the rotation.

      Imagine the wheel turns 300km/h in a seal vacuum chamber. How much the input to output ratio will be? 1 kg of mass turning 300km/h.

      I'll post on my versions of diagram here.

      All the gravity wheels including the one I've had for fews in mind always fail because they are close-loop system. Even though eliminating all the frictions between moving parts.

      I stopped tossing away conventional laws of physics. I believe in the universe we live in open-loop system in nature. Stuck in close ideas/laws won't derive any new ideas or enhancement. Period.

      Before I close this post, these devices won't ask such precise manufacturing of parts. I read through some pulse motors and the problems I found is I can't get the result or design system the way I want: too many variation, no concrete principals, needs high-precision parts. For example, Peter Lindemann Rotary Attraction Motor does make sense. The overall COP is well over 1. But, to achieve over 5, the motor has to be designed and built under little error of margin, high precision. The air gap needs to be very small that beyond most machine shops capacity.

      Personally, such devices however good it is out of my touch. I disregard ZPE devices for the same reason. I don't have the resources. My personal budget and time has to be used for machine that's really feasible to me.

      I've had great respect for the frontiers of free energy fields: John Bedini, Peter Lindemann, and many others. They are few levels ahead of tinkers / garage mechanics like me. The device has to be reasonable simple. It has to run by the spec 99.9999% whoever builds it.

      Build a device and use it for myself everyday practically either battery charger or real power source, then I'll expand it to full energy generator. And I might help out other people around me. Cause at that point, they will see and touch what is the real FE device does 'Freedom!' Yay.

      If the construction of a 100W generator turns out easy and it follows the principals, then I can build bigger one like any well-known machines: cars, airplane, electric motor. I think the magic number is 1kW. To use two or three 500W generators still pretty good but 1kW is something. It can run most of appliances. A well-designed house or even a electric car can run by one unit.

      Sorry for my little rant.

      Best wishes,
      Hughe

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      • Check http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/V...al_machine.pdf

        Gravitational magnetic hybrid

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        • Question ?

          I like this demonstration of the 2SO. It seem very clear and well done. Higher pendulum more weight lifted A of A&B - YouTube
          (you can just go to minute 6:30 to see it in normal maintaining operation)
          I would like to no what other think of my conclusion about it? In other words do i understand this correctly?

          I studied this in a frame by frame slow motion video program to get the times correct as possible.

          The Work
          His energy to keep this running is approximately 4lbs over 4 inches.
          It lefts 70 plus lbs over 1.5 inches" two times.
          So the work is

          Input 4 lbs X 4" = 16
          Output is 70 lbs X 1.5 X 2= 210
          COP of work 13.25

          A interesting observation is when i account for the time into this.
          Using frame by frame program and it's time clock. All grey areas of measurements give it advantage to being less COP and being conservative with the estimates.

          The Power

          The Push (16) took 0.1 seconds
          16 / .01 = 160 power

          The upward movement of the weight (210) took 0.3 seconds.
          210 / 0.3 = 700 power

          The downward movement of the weight (210) took 0.1 seconds
          (actually sightly faster closer to 0.08 seconds)
          210 / 0.1 = 2100 power

          COP of the upwards movement is 4.375
          COP of the downward movements 13.125


          So if i wanted to try and use the power of RHEAD100's 2SO i should try and harness the downward movement, rather than the upward movement.

          Did i miss something?

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          • Newton's Third

            Originally posted by Aaron View Post

            The third law states there is an equal and OPPOSITE reaction but this is untrue. There is nothing that requires a reaction to OPPOSE movement as it is possible to have a reaction that assist further FORWARD movement increasing efficiency and COP (coefficient of performance). Below is one of the most simple ways to not only defy but totally make a mockery of the third law of motion. Only if a system is closed and both ends are rammed together will there be an opposing force.
            The slingshot effect that we often see on Star Trek and other like shows where a spacecraft uses a planet's gravity to impart momentum on the spacecraft would be an example of what is quoted above... would it not?

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            • Originally posted by gravitronic View Post
              The slingshot effect that we often see on Star Trek and other like shows where a spacecraft uses a planet's gravity to impart momentum on the spacecraft would be an example of what is quoted above... would it not?
              It has been cited in one of the research papers, outside evaluations of Milkovics work, on his site, yes...
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              • Originally posted by kcarring View Post
                It has been cited in one of the research papers, outside evaluations of Milkovics work, on his site, yes...
                Does that work with stationary planets? I doubt it. I bet the inertia of the planet is tapped to power the slingshot.
                If you build a milkyway of stationary sun plus planets, there won't be much slingling, but a lot of crashing. But what do I know...

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                • Originally posted by gravitronic View Post
                  The slingshot effect that we often see on Star Trek and other like shows...
                  ...and also every "round the solar system" grand tour that NASA has done.

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                  • I think the working principle of Milkovic' pendulum is "synchronous parametric variation", the same principle used by Eric Dollard before:


                    This Mandelstam paper has recently been translated into English:



                    This explains the electrical analogy, but the principle is the same. Gravity is a dynamic force and is very closely related to the electric field. According to the excellent ether theory of Paul Stowe, gravity is the gradient of the electric field. See:

                    Tuks DrippingPedia : Stowe Personal E Mail

                    So, gravity is a contracting movement of the ether, which IMHO has very much to do with Bernoulli's principle and the Venturi effect:

                    Bernoulli's principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                    Venturi effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                    So, gravity is like a river of ether flowing towards the earth and can therefore be harnassed, just like you can put a peddle wheel in a waterfall to extract energy. You just need a different kind of peddle wheel, and I think Milkovic' pendulum is just that..

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