Global Warming & The Price of Gas Part I

[Kevin]

I just read this...would like to hear others opinions, and basis for them.


Cont. in Part II

[Gre]

The high fuel price is to help curb global warming (of course no officials will admit this), not some conspiracy to make oil co's more $. In our system (the USA) this was probably the only solution.... since the public claims to care about global warming, yet if fuel wasn't up 300 percent, everyone would still be cruising their SUVs.
With the high fuel prices joy riding, etc is way down, and hybrid demand is way up. Not because of global warming, but because of $$.

As for the reality of global warming, use your head... man made warming (and natural) is real. We've been putting CO2, that has been in the ground for millions of years back into the atmosphere, cutting down trees that convert CO2 into oxygen... I'm just curious how set back our atmosphere is today.. 400k years? 2mil?

What are you really concerned about? Sounds like $$.

[wpage]

Al Gore is a Hypocrite

You want to see a real problem. How bout a ice age to really cause problems...

Al Gore is from a family that made its fortune in natural resource exploitiation. Yes his folks were the ones that ran the coal mine and the coal train. Now he does his penance preaching some penitential psychosis that earned him a half assed gold medal from some synchopaths.

Global warming potential is nothing compared to the potential of a coming ice age that will really test the worlds survival ability.

Dart board science is nothing compared to the reality of solar cycles and the things that really control our climate.

Rant over...
W

[Sephiroth]

PS: about petrol beeing expensive. just face it, it's not really that expensive at all. just think of the entire process of getting the oil out, make the actuall petrol and diesel etc.
next time you by a soda of some sorts, check out how mush that is per gallon.

Don't know about the US though I am pretty sure we are in the same boat. over 50% of the price of fuel is duty... then there is value added tax on top of that.

The goverments are in control of the cost of fuel. and putting up the cost of fuel puts up the cost of everything (transport and manufacturing costs that the consumer pays for the product in the end)... and guess what? they have value added tax on top of those products as well.

It is stealth tax. By increasing the cost of fuel they not only increase their revenue in fuel duty, but also the tax on EVERYTHING!

[mr. peepers]

The biggest problem is that crude oil is traded as a commodity, much like the stock systems.

How else would Exxon make record profits, give out record bonuses to executives, all while "re-investing" back into the market? On top of that, they claim to be hit just as hard, as its more expensive for them to buy.

Uh huh.

Garrett

[pln4472]

I believe, we here in the US are in for a wild ride, in the not to distance future. I don't believe a word of the Global warming cries. Just like I don't believe we can make our cars burn more gas and be better for the air. I also don't think we should be making fuel out of our CORN. I heard today that the US food reserves are GONE.

I believe these radical environmentalists have a hidden agenda.

I don't want to get my blood pressure up, so I will stop here.http://www.energeticforum.com/images.../heartbeat.gif



Marlin

[WCastle]

Have you been approached to proxy out your "carbon credits" ? brace yourself, the carbon tax will be a burden, it is the coming big business boom, brought to you by the UN agenda 21 (alias sustainable development) however the bigest roadblock to implementing the agenda is "private ownership of land" that should raise a red flag for you.

Gas prices are high because of the losses the mortgage scammers are now making up for in speculating with oil trading.

The mortgage scam was a result of the central banks (federal reserve among others) and the debt based monetary systems they promote.

Whats the difference? why bother with the keystrokes? most people do not even realize that the federal reserve is not a government agency, but rather a private held company.

Our time is better spent building renewable energy systems such as Hydrogen reactors or "boosters" as they are called on this forum, windmills, solar panels, wood stoves, and whatever other "verifiable" energy sources such as are being tested and replicated here.

Global warming ? go look at the earthquakes in the asia pacific region and notice that the Lava is causing the ocean to evaporate sending alot of water vapor up.

As far as CO2 causing this, I AM a scientist and I am disagreeing because the facts just do not justify it, not to mention algore is a nutcase.

It is more important to utilize the positive energies and make something happen for the good.

[Aaron]

part 2 discussion

The other part of the discussion:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2117-global-warming-price-gas-part-ii.html

[elias]

Inducing fear is the main agenda of governments, which would paralyze the population they know! Nothing can be proven, but one's common sense suggests that we ought to stop interfering with nature, we'd better work with nature side by side, even though CO2 may have nothing to do with global warming. We must understand that there is much more to nature than the properties we observe. Nature has the ability to heal itself. Nature is constantly reminding us how to live naturally by the symptoms she shows us, as a result of our actions. As more and more people understand how to live naturally, in the moment, more and more harmony would be established between us and the universe, which would result in Heaven on Earth. So let's hope this is the direction we are leading to.

[ANTIQUER]

I just read this...would like to hear others opinions, and basis for them.

Hi! Kevin.
I agree with you and John Coleman about Al Gore. He and his world-wide gang are wrong. Man made co2 has only a slight effect on global warming.There is nothing unusual about scientists and politicians exhibiting the "Lemming instinct".Most of the scientific community of their times disagreed with Isaac Newton, Tesla and Einstein, among others.
However, as far as global warming, it is a fact There is unprecedented melting of the polar ice caps in a short period of time which rate is accelerating. The inter-glacial periods you mention take place over centuries.
The temperatue rise in the last 100 years corresponds directly to the rise in the use of fossil fuels, so there is some effect from using them.
The cycle of solar flares is about 11 years more active, 11 years less active. Suddenly, about 5 years ago, in the middle of the quieter cycle there were huge and unprecedented flares.
But the main reason we are warming up is the sun is burning hotter and moving closer. Unfortunately every scientist or institution that mentions it is ignored or quickly silenced. I saw an interview with the top scientist in the U.S. in this field who reported this uneqivocably and directly to president Bush. That's the main reason he disagrees with the Al Gore crowd.
As for internal combustion engines they do produce particulates that are getting into the atmosphere in large quantities , especially from aircraft engines and the parts of the world that are not "going green". There is a huge blanket of this stuff hanging over China, India and Indonesia in particular and it is expanding.A study done in 3 separate countries right after 9-11, when most aircraft worldwide were grounded for 48-72 hours showed a temperature rise of 3-4 degrees due to the decreased air traffic allowing the particulates to disperse and let the sun shine through. The only real solution is to run these engines on non-polluting water.
Lastly the price of oil is obviously being manipulated.That's the only reason the price would go from $12 to $140 per barrel in only 13 years. 30%-40% is caused by speculation, the same thing that was a major cause of the rise of housing prices and the subsequent collapse, and by the devaluation of the dollar and manipulation along the supply chain by various companies, governments and families who "control the flow".
Well, this has been long but you asked. I look forward to Part II.


the Al Gore crowd.

[Aaron]

sun warming

I think the sun has a lot to do with any warming on Earth as well. But my take on it was because the magnetic field is weaker letting in more solar radiation when normally it is stronger and deflects much of it around the Earth.

[ANTIQUER]

I think the sun has a lot to do with any warming on Earth as well. But my take on it was because the magnetic field is weaker letting in more solar radiation when normally it is stronger and deflects much of it around the Earth.

Hi! Aaron.
Your theory may be right to some degree. I know the earth's magnetic core is shifting at an increasing rate. There is evidence it may be about to swap poles. This shifting might also effect the overall strength. Hmmm?

[octavian]

co2

first of all, i'm going to be brief due to the fact that i think my time (our time) would be better spent trying to do something about global warming instead of filling up pages of fear-driven nonsence.

secondly, for those of you who still think "the scientists" disagree on this subject, they don't. as mr. gore said, 99% of scientists working on this subject agree that we live in a world on the edge, and that CO2 emmisions are to blame (partially of course)

(i also must admit loving the internal combustion engine... european ones that is)

when you, kevin (which, when i read on turned out to be some bloke called John), say that, and i quote:

"Here is the deal about CO2, carbon dioxide. It is a natural component of our atmosphere. It has been there since time began. It is absorbed and emitted by the oceans. It is used by every living plant to trigger photosynthesis. Nothing would be green without it. And we humans; we create it. Every time we breathe out, we emit carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. It is not a pollutant. It is not smog. It is a naturally occurring invisible gas."

i totally agree with you, but the thing about CO2 as well as everything else is that more isn't always better. mother earth is like a beautifully tuned instrument and you can not start twisting the machine heads and expect it to play cleanly.

it's pretty strange isn't it, that the world has seen some of it's hottest days ever recorded at the same time the CO2 levels are skyrocketing. it's not bloody solar flares... and so what, even if it eventually turns out to be nothing to worry about, do you honestly believe that we are in the position where we can afford to take the chance? i know i won't.

PS: about petrol beeing expensive. just face it, it's not really that expensive at all. just think of the entire process of getting the oil out, make the actuall petrol and diesel etc.
next time you by a soda of some sorts, check out how mush that is per gallon.



oh terribly sorry mate, thought it was your work... but you get my point though.

[future pather]

Al Gore is from a family that made its fortune in natural resource exploitiation. Yes his folks were the ones that ran the coal mine and the coal train. Now he does his penance preaching some penitential psychosis that earned him a half assed gold medal from some synchopaths.

You probably didn't care to see Gore's movie, but there was a good section in their about how his family earned their living from farming. (I've never heard the coal mine piece, are you sure about that?)

They had tobacco as one of their crops. They kept growing it even when warnings about cigarettes came out. They stopped growing it when one of the family members died from lung cancer. He said there is a time to face facts and do what is right. A lesson learned after much pain.

I don't know Gore personally but from what I can tell of him, I admire him a ton.

Jessica

[vzon17]

There is no global warming

The globe has been cooling for the last 10 years. glabal warming is not happening and it has nothing to do with mans activity anyway. gore is full of hot air just like any other politicians. the gas price is manipulated and we have plenty of oil available in the USA, we just cant use it becaues environmentalists pushed through so many laws agints oil drilling and against nuclear power. that is why we have an energy shortage. its all politics and nothing eles. read up on the history of global warming and you will realize its all pure politics and has no basis in fact. It was conceived to pass laws to control people tahts all it is. When the glob warms and cools it is not done by carbon dioxide at all, it is done by the solar cycles. carbon emmisions follow temperature changes. We are not doing alternitive and free enrgy becaues of global warming we are doing it to get out from under the contol of those that own the energy sources.

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