The Great Global Warming Swindle

[lamare]

When will people wake up? I actually enjoyed listening to Air America Radio
while Bush was in office but I laugh at the propaganda now that
Obama is in office. It is just a big three-ring-circus of media & political
incest.

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It pains me to see good people being taken advantage of on both sides
of the front. For young people to deny global warming caused by co2
simply because they come from a republican family, etc.. that is sickening
to the stomach. And for anyone to believe man made co2 causes global
warming just because their own circle of influence are fairly liberal and
believes it...that is an atrocity on its own. Satan is supposed to have
dominion of this world according to scripture and every day I see more
evidence that I shouldn't argue that viewpoint.

One thing is certain: people are waking up!
Don't think you and me are the only ones that woke up the last few years, the internet makes a huge difference, but it takes a while.

Since you mention the scriptures, another thing I would never have thought I would believe even a year ago, do predict very accurately what's happening and what will happen soon:

Read King James Version Online Bible - Revelation, Chapter 17
"And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast."

So, there will be a world government, and it will reign for one hour. Since in profetic time, each day counts for a year, we would be talking about something in the order of two weeks. And then these ten horns, these ten kings or kingdoms, will apparantly wake up and revolt:

"And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the ***** sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the *****, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled."

[lamare]

Argusoog Radio: Project CopenhagenArgusoog Radio: Start / Home

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Another thing that came up is that it looks like Copenhagen may be looking at 21 cm of snow at the end of the coming week. Climategate.nl calls this the Al Gore effect:





Keeping my thumbs crossed...

[Joit]

Whatif - Its only about Money

They are mostly only more debatting, if the Duties are shared fair or not,
the Voices, what say, that the hole Story is a big Hoax are more quiet.

Figure what they had could do with all they Money they did take till yet.
But mainly, it been used from every Country for other Things, but not for ie. build up new Woods.

Right now few Countries offer Help for developing Country, to 'prepare for Climagate'
UK 883 Billion, Sweden 800 B, Spain Netherlands Finland each 300 B, for 2 years or each?
And where do the Money come from? Sure, from the Bank.
Figure, how much from this Money would be needed, to make the Sahara green.

But its all, to turn the Moneyscrew tighter, when some Countries get some Money, they have to pay or payback. Not really a chance to develope herself, or untie herself from this System.

And for' You need Peoples scare, that they listen' Hows about, they tell Peoples lesser Lies, sproaded from the Lie Press,
then probalty Peoples will more listen.

There been Datas from Couple Centuries back, and the average Temperature
really did go up and Down, and down, means way below 'average'.
The High Temperatures Times been like a Spike,
and guess where we are ?
At the beginning from such a Spike again.
So we probatly shall pay for a Nature Cycle, never get the Chance, that the Temperatures Drop really
and blamed, that we cause Global Warming.

And What if, this Cycles are absolutly normal, like Day - Night, Summer - Winter,
and for the same, the Earth have a colder and hotter Cycle.
Like, anything repeats, at Microcosm to Macrocosm.
Then we do shall pay right now for, that it s getting Summer,
but its sold to us as Global Warming.

[Cloxxki]

Oh yes, snow for Copenhagen, please! One time I wish it to pass me by (as usual) and dump a decade's worth on Copenhagen.

What I wonder, those armed with what they think is a mandate to sign off their country's future there. Do they get any alternative sources presented to them by their administrations? Would even one person in the backoffice be appointed to present the very best arguments from the anarchists, the bad guys, "us"?
Are especially the poor countries buying the trick of a lump sum from the wealthy, and then yearly disproportionate taxes?

China for instance, has it's future inbound stream of commodities and crops secure by basically buying parts of Africa, with long term supply contracts. Cuuntries such as Kongo must be noticing that they are not getting any richer, despite digging up lots of copper. Will the wish to believe fairytales once again outweigh their more recently perused pire hunter's (and prey's) instincts?

If only we could email a link to Aaron's posts here to the supposed world leaders there...

[Joit]

Weatherreport says -6C/21F for Sat, -9C/16F at Night for Sunday around Munich,
Sunday -16C/3,19F Night, 0C/32F Day for Oslo.

[Aaron]

It is also why the world must come together to confront climate change. There is little scientific dispute that if we do nothing, we will face more drought, famine and mass displacement that will fuel more conflict for decadesFOXNews.com - Administration Warns of 'Command-and-Control' Regulation Over Emissions

So Bush and Obama both destroy our economy, intentionally, and now the white house wants to destroy our economy even more by the epa circumventing congress and illegally applying their gestapo tactics to hurt business in the name of the co2 scam.

From a "president" that claims to want to restore science to its rightful place. I feel like I'm in Groundhog Day the movie with Bill Murray...except instead of it being the same day every day, it is 1984 every single year!

They keep pushing the consensus lie - and it is a BIG LIE. It is understood there are actually some warming trends here and there but nothing to do with CO2 as a scientific fact... and Gore admitted in congress that sometimes in the past, yes it is true that the temperature comes FIRST then co2 comes second...
Al Gore Admits Temperatures Cause CO2 to Increase, Not the Other Way Around | Disinformation

[vzon17]

The world is COOLING not warming says scientist

Copenhagen summit: The world is COOLING not warming says scientist
Peter Taylor - and we're not prepared...
Copenhagen summit: The world is COOLING not warming says scientist Peter Taylor | Mail OnlineCopenhagen summit: The world is COOLING not warming says scientist Peter Taylor | Mail Online

[Aaron]

Where is the openness and transparency?

EPA silenced a document speaking to the scam of the co2 scare and refused to consider it when announcing that co2 is a pollutant.

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NASA has refused to provide data.

"The fight over global warming science is about to cross the Atlantic with a U.S. researcher poised to sue NASA, demanding release of the same kind of climate data that has landed a leading British center in hot water over charges it skewed its data.

Chris Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said NASA has refused for two years to provide information under the Freedom of Information Act that would show how the agency has shaped its climate data and would explain why the agency has repeatedly had to correct its data going as far back as the 1930s."


"The numbers matter. Under pressure in 2007, NASA recalculated its data and found that 1934, not 1998, was the hottest year in its records for the contiguous 48 states. NASA later changed that data again, and now 1998 and 2006 are tied for first, with 1934 slightly cooler."


Researcher: NASA hiding climate data - Washington Times



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unrelated but related... CDC refused to release data on h1n1 numbers because they said it was not of significant public interest - most people don't know they stopped taking the #'s!

Let's remember what Obama did:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office,/TransparencyandOpenGovernment/

I was hopeful when this came out - I actually believed for a moment the man might actually be open to being open with the American public:

http://www.energeticforum.com/general-discussion/3696-transparency-open-government-memorandum.html

Seeing this that there might be more openness but it appears Obama is just another W-Bush part 2

Where is the openness and transparency?

[rickoff]

Just think of all the nasty emissions caused by the hordes of global elitists flocking to Copenhagen in their private jets..........

[Aaron]

solutions?

I believe it's possible to have both sides come together peacefully.

The co2 believers, they want emissions down and the ones that
believe in natural warming effects want clean air and clean water as well.

How can that be accomplished so it pleases both sides?

I think that if those that believe that man-made co2 is causing a
catastrophic global warming that they should be allowed to play their
carbon trading game.

But it shouldn't be forced on anyone.

However, I think it would be wise to implement other "yardsticks" for
gauging progress or not. Maybe certain ppm's of whatever in the water
by the plant. Or something like measuring current production for current
pollution - at a plant or whatever.

Then, over the course of time, they
can chart that they increased production WITHOUT increasing emissions,
then they should be given credits like carbon credits or a tax credit
with the IRS...have to work with the system we got for now for practical
purposes.

If there are 3-4 different things like this, there is no monopoly on the
environment. If there are 3-4 incentive options (carbon trading,
production:emission ratio, etc... it is just a matter of creativity),
and was OPTIONAL...I'm sure it isn't too hard to figure out that everyone
that wants to play the carbon game will. And the ones that don't
believe it won't get penalized for not playing the carbon game, yet several
options exist that really give them huge incentives to show efficiency
or other progress.

IF it was proven that man made co2 caused a catastrophic global warming,
I'd be all for slashing co2 but it hasn't been proven and the claims
aren't scientifically justified. So it isn't right to force a mandate on the
planet for an opinion. Therefore, if anyone wants to volunteer to
play the co2 market, they can lead by example and anyone on that
vibe is free to follow.

If anyone wants to do other "earth friendly" things and be rewarded,
then there are other options for them to be included without being forced
to be ruled under the co2 idea. If a car maker went from 100 cars
associated with x pollution to 110 cars associated with the SAME pollution,
that is a 10% increase - a virtual 10% or so drop in emissions and should
qualify for credit/reward/tax incentive, whatever. But if they don't do
anything, they don't get penalized - they just don't get to deduct as
much or take x credit or whatever...the earth steward tax credit...

There can be incentives for doing different amounts by certain dates to
give incentive to act quick.

If the rest of the world wants to be ruled under a co2 dictatorship, let
them.

America can still contribute to a cleaner globe, which I think we should be
leading this world in the effort, and do it without being subjects of the UN.

[Aaron]

Latest poll

Latest poll:

43% Favor Urgent Action Against Global Warming, 43% Say Not So Fast - Yahoo! News

[Cloxxki]

IF Co2 was the real cause of global warming, governments should immediate plant forrests everwhere they can. Fast-growing, CO2 hungry trees.
And, now for climate reasons, irrigate the Sahara. Build some rain forrests and of course crop fields.
Super-tax meat, as building crops is a more usrface-efficient way to feed the world, while absorbing CO2.

Sadly, those reasons don't exist. It's all about money, the climate is a just a popular topic no-one understands, yet everyone cares about.

[Aaron]

rock dust

With planting trees, what causes poor growth thru forests, etc... is that the minerals are depleted from the soils, not just in over farmed soil but in natural forest lands, etc...

A solution is ground rock into dust and spray across the land. All the growth of plants, trees, etc... will explode on their own.

http://www.energeticforum.com/agriculture/1405-soil-remineralization.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/agricu...ld-weaver.html (check out the 4 pdf's in the first post on this thread)

[Cloxxki]

Interesting!
I recently read that trees take most of their mass from the air, through CO2, not from the soil. I'll not contest that soil can be over-farmed and depleted of resources. Trees in their natural habitat though, provide their own food and other lifeforms' food through compostation of leafs, don't they?

[Aaron]

trees

That is interesting if they get their carbon and whatever from the air
more than soil. If that is the case, wouldn't surprise me.

Schauberger and Grander point out I believe that healthy trees contribute
water to the ground pulling it out of the air.

The mineral connection in some theories is that lack of minerals
has less plant life on the planet, then less co2 can be taken from
the air. So with more co2 in the air, there is some warming that will
evaporate more moisture, which gets pushed to the cooler climates and
causes more snow building back up the snow/ice pack and we get pushed
into an ice age. Glaciers grow thick, grind on mountains and this glacial milk
mineralizes all the land and the cycle repeats.