MYLOW121363's Johnson motor

[esaruoho]

Also might I suggest that anyone giving this a try arrange you magnet set up to follow the works of Viktor Schauberger for it is just a hunch but I think his works will aid greatly in all of your efforts. That is to follow the pattern of the cosmic clock so you get maximum torque. Remember it is only a suggestion.




h2opower.

you meant walter russell.
check this archive out h2opower.
Flickr: esaruoho's Photostream

[esaruoho]

Also might I suggest that anyone giving this a try arrange you magnet set up to follow the works of Viktor Schauberger for it is just a hunch but I think his works will aid greatly in all of your efforts. That is to follow the pattern of the cosmic clock so you get maximum torque. Remember it is only a suggestion.

h2opower.

maybe these pertinent russell shots on magnetism and nature's coils:
Flickr Photo Download: Atomic Suicide Figure 2
Flickr Photo Download: Atomic Suicide Figure 24
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All of Nature's Magnets are Cones
Polarity is Universal

[cody]

Rick,
Lookin good! Great ideas, i like it!

[Stealth]

I did Mylow's bar magnet motor replication today. I used a 10'' x 1/4 inch aluminum disc. I used 1x1x1/4 inch ceramic magnets. I found out the best space between the magnets is 2/3 the width of the magnet. 1/4 inch magnet width, 3/16 spacing. I set it up just like Mylow's third video. I could get it to self run only 3-4 revolutions before equalizing. The secret is not in the rotor magnets, but in the stator magnet(s). I tried several different configurations of stator magnets,(bar,disc,horseshoe). The one thing that I found interesting was that when I used a 2x1x1/2 ceramic magnet, it would self run half way through 1 set then pick up speed as it exited that set, although it would loose momentum before contacting the next set. The entering magnet and exiting magnet of each set was weaker than the middle magnets in each set. This seemed to help with flow through. After playing around with this design, I feel it definitely could self run given the correct stator magnet alignment. Stealth

[jibbguy]

Congrats Stealth, great work, it sounds very promising.

Are you a member at the Yahoo group? You could post the news there too, and possibly there would be some advice on how to "tune it in" from Mylow.

mylow_magmo : MYLOW's Howard Johnson Magnet Motor copy

So far your replication would appear to be in the lead, from what we have heard

[Stealth]

No, Im not a member of Yahoo group. I am spending too much time online lately, and not enough time engaged in my research. I need to start working more on my projects. This is not the only project I am involved in right now. Although I think it is very likely a strong candidate for a self runner, I don't think it would produce much power, unless a huge machine was built with super strong neos. I have some other ideas on improving on this design. I will let you know if it turns out positive. In some ways it reminds me of the linear track motor, less one set of tracks. Has anyone tried to set their magnets at a degree, as the linear track motor is. It may actually produce more power while eliminating, or at least lessening the magnetic drag effect. Good Luck. Stealth

[rickoff]

Starting New thread

Hi folks,

Since my build is a radical departure from Mylow's construction techniques, I have decided to start a new thread to separate my ideas. This thread should really be used by those who want to replicate what Mylow has done, and I don't want to confuse people. The name of my new thread will be "Rick's Pipe Dream." I thought that would be an appropriate title considering that I have built the entire frame from PVC pipe and fittings.

For those interested, come in and take a look, and returm often as I will be adding new stuff almost daily.

Best regards,

Rick

[jibbguy]

Stealth, thats an interesting and unique comparison with the track gate. And i think many would agree that we hope you pursue this particular project a little longer; at least until it continually rotates.

The device itself would appear to be not of such vast significance, except that it is the FIRST. Which is exactly why your replication would be of prime importance as well

[Stealth]

Update. I found time today to play with the stator magnet arrangements on my bar magnet motor. What I found out is that I could make the rotor spin continuously by moving the stator magnet up and down by hand. It seems like a simple matter to make a moveable stator mechanism that will move a short distance from the rotor magnets as they engage. This seems to be the secret of Mylow's motor. In the video you can plainly see the stator magnets moving up and down. Good Luck. Stealth

[rickoff]

Reply to Stealth:

Update. I found time today to play with the stator magnet arrangements on my bar magnet motor. What I found out is that I could make the rotor spin continuously by moving the stator magnet up and down by hand. It seems like a simple matter to make a moveable stator mechanism that will move a short distance from the rotor magnets as they engage. This seems to be the secret of Mylow's motor. In the video you can plainly see the stator magnets moving up and down. Good Luck. Stealth

Hi Stealth,

Playing with my setup a few days ago I tried the same thing, so I know exactly what you mean. I built my test rig specifically so that I could test out some moving stator ideas for my "Moving Stator" thread. What I saw was that by arranging my small neo bar magnets in groups of 7 or 8, with each magnet spaced equally apart about 5/8", I could hold a powerful hard drive magnet in my hands a few inches above the rotor. By dipping down slightly within the magnet group, the rotor would start accellerating, and coming off the back end of the group the rotor would suddenly pick up speed since there was good repulsion and no other force to overcome at that point. As the next group of magnets closely approaches, this will ordinarily slam the brakes on as you suddenly meet strong repulsive forces. To avoid that braking effect, all I had to do was lift the stator magnet up before reaching that braking effect point, and then drop it down once past that area - which is relatively small, only about 1" or so. I found that by doing this, I could get the rotor to accellerate very nicely, with forceful rotations, and that the up/down motion of the stator magnet only needed to be about 1" of travel. It takes more travel if you want to start from a standstill and get the rotor spinning, but what the heck - just start it with a quick hand spin, and then the 1" travel is all that is needed to keep things going. It worked great, and the only problem I had was that once it started spinning fast, I found it hard to time my dips and raises with any accuracy. This is easily overcome, though, by using a timing track with a simple lift mechanism riding the track. With some flywheel heft added at the perimeter of the rotor, there should be no problem whatsoever in keeping the stator moving up and down using the simple mechanism. I'll be posting some ideas for accomplishing that in my "Moving Stator" thread tomorrow: http://www.energeticforum.com/48790-post1.html
I already have this figured out, and the materials that I needed have now arrived.

Best regards,

Rick

[Michael John Nunnerley]

@Rick

I have been playing around with copper on top of a bar magnet and it seems to move the flux lines into a center point on the magnet, with another magnet over the top in repulsion mode, it is like a hump back bridge and I was thinking that the leadin magnet could be covered with copper and so overcome to a large part the breaking effect

What are the sizes of your magnets that you are going to use?

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Just another point, the HJ set up uses attraction and repulsion in a clever spacing set up which also overcomes the leadin problem

Mike

[rickoff]

Reply to Mike:

@Rick

I have been playing around with copper on top of a bar magnet and it seems to move the flux lines into a center point on the magnet, with another magnet over the top in repulsion mode, it is like a hump back bridge and I was thinking that the leadin magnet could be covered with copper and so overcome to a large part the breaking effect

What are the sizes of your magnets that you are going to use?

Mike

Hi Mike,

I hadn't tried copper for cover yet, but did try covering with steel, stainless steel, and a short strip of aluminum. They all worked to some degree, but also diminish the startup thrust at the "sweet spot."

I wrote up a complete explanation of the magnets that I have been experimenting with, and my results, at this link: http://www.energeticforum.com/54097-post43.html I also talk about HJ's concepts and show a diagram with measurements of it. HJ's drawings show a permeability plate beneath the bar magnets, and my steel wheel offers pretty much the same thing. It also makes repositioning the magnets into other configurations quick and easy. I love this junk wheel!

I have already seen enough in my experiments to determine that it is quite likely that Mylow's setup is for real. I won't be chasing after it, though, as my Moving Stator experiments are proving far more powerful a concept. It's more than just a concept, actually, because it works - and it works great! I'm hoping to post a video demonstration tomorrow showing this effect. I've been so busy this past week in getting all the construction details for my apparatus posted that I have had to limit my own progress, but I'll be forging ahead again after tomorrow's posting of the final construction phase. I'd love to have been continuing my pursuit full speed, but I wanted others to have the chance to build it and catch up. Now they can do that. Incidentally, I have also started an e-mail list to keep experimenters informed about all magnet specifications and layouts that have been tested. This way, no one needs to waste their time and resources duplicating work that has already been done and tested, and will have knowledge as to what works and what doesn't. By sharing this critical info in this way, everyone can get a lot more accomplished than by simple trial and error. So anyone who wants to join the list, please send me your e-mail address at [email protected]. Many have already signed on, and I always send messages via blind carbon copy, so you needn't worry about others seeing your address.

Incidentally, if anyone is still unclear as to what makes Mylow's setups work (both past and current ones) I have fully explained that in the following post: http://www.energeticforum.com/54165-post49.html

Best regards to all,

Rick

[Ted Ewert]

Looks like a little DC motor and some fishing line need to be added to the list of materials.
Why do guys pull crap like this? It not only makes them look like idiots, but it impugns the whole community.
Very disappointing.

Ted

[Mark]

Hi Ted

I wasn't sure what you were talking about until I saw this
Fish line mechanical drive discovered in Mylow magnet motor