No Current Polarity Flip Flop Pulse Cap Charge Circuit

[lighty]

OK, this is the simple explanation of Avramenkov, Zaev, Strebkov circuit. I don't really have much time to explain everything all over again. You can also change diodes for DPDT switch with the same effect. Of course the system is lossy as is the Avramenko circuit with diodes. However "classical" Avramenko circuit don't have much to do with Stiffler's work. Stiffler's circuit use single wire transmission in resonance and stroung coupling with earth ground. While his circuit appears the same its operation is significantly different. BTW- this is basic electrostatics found in any textbook. It is even not so hard to calculate exact current flowing although I wish I had more free time to do so. That being said I hope this settles it once and for all.

[gotoluc]

Hi All,

made a new video to demonstrate what I saw several months back using my H-Bridge circuit.

Please feel free to post your thoughts and explanations

Link to video: YouTube - Polarity Flip Flop Circuit test 3

Luc

[lighty]

I cannot do any math if you don't tell us what are the values of the components and especially primary capacitors. Also, can you use some higher resolution meter?

BTW did you disconnect batteries in that third video?

[gotoluc]

I cannot do any math if you don't tell us what are the values of the components and especially primary capacitors. Also, can you use some higher resolution meter?

BTW did you disconnect batteries in that third video?

Hi lighty,

I'm also trying to do the math now and noticed my meter would need more resolution to be able to do it correctly. I do have a higher resolution meter but it's not battery operated (AC) and when I hook it up across the 10 Ohm 1% resistor that measures the voltage across the two 3900uf supply capacitors charged by the batteries to 50vdc the output voltage of the circuit cuts close to half

The circuit is really sensitive to any kind of stray capacitance. I'll have to play around for a while to see if I can find a way to do it.

I did not disconnect the batteries in this video since the H-Bridge circuit wastes 23ma with no load attached. If I could only find a circuit that can output high frequency AC from a DC source without wasting power when no load connected ... it really makes it difficult to see the real result. That's why I first used the relay!!! but frequency is so limited and this effect is best at high frequency.

Always a problem with the switching

I'll see what I can do and report back or do a new video if I can do a better show. I thought it looked good but I see it needs more.

Luc

[Inquorate]

Output calculator

Capacitor Energy and Time Constant Calculator

calculates joule seconds in capacitor knowing voltage and capacitance, and optional resistor value

This one does the power input on most systems. Remember 1 watt is one joule?

Online Conversion - Ohm's Law Calculator

Love and light

[gotoluc]

Okay,

I made some small changes to the circuit. The output capacitors with the 1K Ohm load are now 100uf each and the inductors are now a center tap input split so no AV Plugs are used. Each end of the inductors have a single diode to charge the cap. I also separated each circuit on their own project board to remove some capacitance coupling of the two outputs of the H-Bridge which was making things worse. I think it's working better and all I did is lower the frequency of the H-Bridge to consume less power and I was able to use the 200mv setting on the meter which give us an extra digit on the display and we can now clearly see that connecting the circuit has no apparent effect on the main feed current use.

In this configuration it is giving OU results when I do the math. It's all in the video.

Video Link: YouTube - Polarity Flip Flop Circuit test 4

We now need to disprove this is real since OU is not possible

Luc

[Inquorate]

Not ou, cec>1

Lol, those are good numbers

Great work as usual, now need to go to mhz and try get a self powering switching circuit.

Love and light

[samedsoft]

Dear Luc,

Can you also double AV plugs and caps on each side?

This way you will prove as much as you load, current wont change..

Also we need to make higher power system.

When you play with frequency, you might have charge rate be changing..

When you change capacitor and inductance, do you see improvement?

...

I am trying to make an analytic model of this system. So we just plug numbers and calculate everything..

Please make a video based on how to increase power with 2 av plugs..

...

All please check http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0606/0606261.pdf


God bless you..

Nuri Temurlenk, Turkey..

[gotoluc]

Lol, those are good numbers

Great work as usual, now need to go to mhz and try get a self powering switching circuit.

Love and light

Thanks for your help and comments Inquorate

Luc

Dear Luc,

Can you also double AV plugs and caps on each side?

This way you will prove as much as you load, current wont change..

Also we need to make higher power system.

When you play with frequency, you might have charge rate be changing..

When you change capacitor and inductance, do you see improvement?

...

I am trying to make an analytic model of this system. So we just plug numbers and calculate everything..

Please make a video based on how to increase power with 2 av plugs..

...

All please check http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0606/0606261.pdf


God bless you..

Nuri Temurlenk, Turkey..

Hi Nuri,

you have the same idea as I had. I did that today, (AV Plug on each ends of the center tap inductor) so I now have double the output, 4 in total

There are other effects the circuit does that I have not shown yet. Like adding an antenna or Earth ground. I think I'll have to do another video because it's kind of strange to see. Basically, if I add wire length to the output capacitors the output voltage on the 1k Ohm load rises significantly. This has become really noticeable when I added the 2 extra volt meters. It's like the meter and wires are antennas and I think they are. I do get a little more coupling with the source compared to the last video but I now have close to 1vdc X 4 and the source rises by about .00002 amps.

I think if we have an antenna further away from the source with a good shielded lead it may eliminate the coupling.

The other thing is by adding a real Earth ground to the output caps that also gets things going much more.

I'll make a new video soon.

Stay tuned.

Luc

[Inquorate]

instead of switching to the RF choke

instead of switching to the RF choke, could we not do this to switch polarity instead?

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4817-possible-electrical-analog-veljko-oscillator.html#post70131

love and light

[gotoluc]

Hi all,

as mentioned in my post above , here is the new video I said I would upload.

Video Link: YouTube - Polarity Flip Flop Circuit test 5

I noticed it's kind of quiet ... I think I'll invite .99 to see what his explanation is on all this.

Luc

[gotoluc]

For anyone interested, attached is Groundloop's original H-Bridge circuit v2.

Also V6 is there and has more protection for the IR2103 but I never built it yet so I don't know how well it works.

If you want a larger version, send me an email at : [email protected]

Luc

[poynt99]

Hi Luc.

Thanks for the PM and invite.

You've gone where I've not yet gone. You are my teacher in this case my friend You've entered a whole different field of research here; electrostatics.

Very interesting effects. However, when I see so much sensitivity and influence from proximity of hands, and length of meter wires, I must say that there is a lot of electrostatics about. I am almost leaning toward what Lighty has been saying. It's like you are saying, there are capacitive (electrostatic) effects everywhere with this type of circuitry.

The bottom line is can you draw any significant power from any of those collector capacitors? The output current meter clearly shows almost zero change in draw with or without the "loads" connected, but that may be because there is very little energy being stored there. Those meter caps are quite large in comparison to the caps you are charging, so it may be no wonder that you see little change in them.

Bring an AM radio into the room and see what you hear

Well done as always

.99

[gotoluc]

Hi .99,

thanks for taking the time to look at this new topic. I'm sure your busy with other things, so I really appreciate your input.

What uf size a cap do you recommend?... I can try a different size and see if I can see any difference.

I also now tried the AM radio and I pickup the circuit at many points of the AM band at least 6 or more point from the begging and all the way to the end of the band. Is there something particular I should be looking for?

Luc

[gotoluc]

Hi All,

I decided to change the inductor values since I have not played with the values since the center tap configuration. I first tried adding an extra 270uH on each side and when I connected it the current draw went up more then double. So I decided to try only one 100uH inductor on each side and believe it or not, now the current goes down when I connect the circuits

I made a real short video for entertainment purposes

Link to Video: YouTube - Polarity Flip Flop Circuit test 6

I wonder if I should try some 2.2uH ya think a black hole may occur