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Duncan.
6" Torroid part # 5978008001
$126.00 including shipping. However, they sell through another company in Germany which may be cheaper for you.
Mine is on the way. After all, it's ONLY money! I can't spend any more for a while. I've bought too much stuff in the last 30 days.
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snap crackle n'pop
Oh .. I know all about that feeling DavidOriginally posted by Turion View PostDuncan.
6" Torroid part # 5978008001
$126.00 including shipping. However, they sell through another company in Germany which may be cheaper for you.
Mine is on the way. After all, it's ONLY money! I can't spend any more for a while. I've bought too much stuff in the last 30 days.
Dave
.. just can't afford right now, still Its only the principle I wanted to prove and engage folks with . I did manage to find some Ex Russian military ferrite toroids David which whilst not of that quality allowed me to at least have a go
odd two days delivery .. faster than local order, must have a good postal service in Lithuania 
Russian M15BA-300-1k Ferrite Ring 100x50x9 mm ,Lot of 6 | eBayWhatever you can do,or dream you can,begin it.Boldness has genius,power and magic in it.Begin it now.Comment
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Another Plasma Battery Inventor Murdered in Moscow, page 1
and this
Plasma Battery Inventors Disappearing Regularly *|* Peak Oil News and Message Boards
and and so on and so forth
plasma oscillations and plasmons explained - YouTube
which gives some simplified idea I guess .. but of course in our case the wave is longitudinal
In short from the 3BGS .. I was probably incorrect regarding molecular spin I wouldn't know plasma oscillation or molecular rotation from a walk in the park anyway .. but it sure looks like what we are dealing with.... from the 3BGS to the killing fields in one or two easy steps.
Like I say .. please start duplicating as fast as you may. they can't stop all of us ! you can now see how its done
Last edited by Duncan; 07-31-2013, 01:43 PM.Whatever you can do,or dream you can,begin it.Boldness has genius,power and magic in it.Begin it now.Comment
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Turion, The time and effort put in by you and the others is really impressive. Some of the concepts you are discussing are way beyond my current understanding. Am I mistaken in that it shouldn't be a problem to clearly demonstrate equal or greater stored energy in the 3 batteries after 3BGS is run compared to the 3 batteries before the run? I realize that those people that have run the system have observed this during the run, but the technicalities and variables involved during the run could cloud the result for those not involved directly at run time. A successful proof of concept would demand attention from the scientific community as many would not be able to resist trying it, which brings many additional talents to bear on development and understanding of the system. The fact that you have clearly shown how to create this system speaks to your sincerity. I guess I'm just trying to show how much of a benefit and how important a clear proof of concept is.
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Skeptic,
Doing what you are talking about is NOT a problem. I should have done it by now except I keep getting sidetracked. My intention is to measure the SG on every cell in every battery and record it. I have been pulse charging those primary batteries all week measuring them, and then discharging them so that I have an average reading of how high the SG gets along with the voltage on the two batteries at the same time. Plenty of data to determine an average.
I have two Razor scooter motors shaft coupled together to use as one of my run motors with generator. I discovered that one of them was drawing 11 amps and the other one would barely turn, so not the greatest combination to use as pat of my test setup, since the motor should not be drawing more than a couple amps under load and if there is something wrong with it, I really DON'T want to use it.
My other motor which is coupled to my large generator is only drawing two amps, and is the perfect test setup but was coming apart where the motor was coupled to the generator and I needed to fix that. While it is apart I wanted to go ahead and instal at least the two bottom coils on the generator that are difficult to install and require that the generator come apart to install them, and doing it now would save me having to take the generator apart AGAIN in a few days. But this required winding coils, cutting material for cores, gluing cores together, etc.
All these things are completed. I will do my final recording of the specific gravity in the batteries sometime today and get everything reassembled. I expect the amp draw on the motor will go up a little since it is trying to pull the magnets on the rotors past the cores of the coils now, but that is to be expected. So possibly this afternoon or this evening I will begin the test run. By tomorrow morning for sure.
I also got two more razor scooter motors in the mail yesterday so I can put together a second replacement setup, and if I get those motors that aren't running correctly apart and see what is wrong with them, possibly a third.
I haven't given up on trying to get this test data put together, but I am busy with this project on several fronts. We are working on a replacement battery for the third battery that has proven successful in a prototype, but so far no successful replications.
I am in contact with a theoretical physicist in who is building a setup and doing his own testing, and he has had about a million questions as he has proceeded with this project. I have been taking videos and measurements with my scope of specific things at his request and sending them to him.
So, I am not just putting this off, although it may seem like it. And there is one thing I should mention. I'm doing this testing to help convince folks who have looked at this and not built it to get off their butts and give it a shot. I could care less if mainstream science gets on board. They would only commercialize it and mass produce it, and that could really mess up the economy. It needs to get out there slowly, as a few people at a time build these things to power their house or their car, and then build others for their neighbors or friends. WE are going to figure this thing out---the folks who have been contributing here and busting their butts doing all this work when no one would believe us. It's real, and we are very close, and this is going to change the world. And DUncan is right. Some lurker will take a look at what we've got, will have some flash of insight, and run off and patent something and become famous. Nobody will ever remember any of us here. But that's fine. WE will know what we did, and in the long run that's really all that matters. Oh yeah, that and the fact that the world was changed for the better.
DaveLast edited by Turion; 07-31-2013, 04:30 PM.Comment
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I would not be surprised if at some point this thread gets shut down, or mysteriously disappears, or is lost somehow.
I have the emails of the guys who have been working together behind the scenes because we communicate by email and phone all the time.
Anybody who thinks they might want to continue to get information if that ever happens should PM me and I will add your info to that list. If we are ever forced to go to another forum somewhere, you'll get info on where.
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skeptic ... the truth is ... do you have the bollix to stand ... if not .. well what can I say ... I think your a jolly good eggOriginally posted by Skeptic View PostWhatever you can do,or dream you can,begin it.Boldness has genius,power and magic in it.Begin it now.Comment
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Desulphation/energy trapped in a dead battery releasedd
Hi dave, someone on overunity forum has made a good point about the chemical change and response of pulse current charging on a ''dead'' lead-acid battery. Because I don't want to fool myself another time, it's really frustating and energy consuming for me. Can you explain to me how this very simple construction could be something else than just a ''potential energy release'' in dead batteries that were maybe partially charged and abused before be put in trash. The sulfate builds up on the plates with time to the point to be enable to see a voltage reading on it anymore. Thanks.
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CrystalDipoleMatrix,
I will speak only about the original 3BGS because there has not been enough testing on the modified version. I have been running the original for over five years.
I don't disagree with anything they are saying about the possible behavior of dead batteries. We KNOW that in the ORIGINAL 3BGS battery 3 can lose its sulfation and then it increases in voltage and has power to contribute to the system. Is that because there were reserves of power in the battery that cannow be tapped or because we charged it? When THAT HAPPENS, the effect WE are looking for GOES AWAY. We don't WANT it to charge because while it is discharged, that is when we get the free energy flow. We have stated that time and time again. In that situation what happens is that we have run the system for hours or days or WEEKS and we end up with 3 fully charged batteries. Now, I haven't measured the specific gravity of the primaries at the end of those runs, but I really DIDN'T CARE.
Those three batteries, fully charged, only have 55.5 amp hours in them under PERFECT conditions. When I have run 500 amp hours of load off them and they still show 12.8 volts, do I really care if the primaries have gone down a little when their specific gravity is measured? Actually YES, I DO! because I don't want them to decrease in charge at all, which is why I told those guys over there I would run the test for them. But the primaries ALWAYS go down a little while you are trying to get your loads balanced, and they always go down a little when battery 3 begins to charge. They do recover over time though.
Those guys are stating that under certain circumstances you can get 5 times the amp hour rating out of a battery, and that is how they explain the excess energy we are seeing. BUT EVERY TIME. Even if it were true, it wouldn't happen every time Gosh. If they know how to do that, they should go into business showing folks because I bet the solar people would LOVE to find that out. Don't you?
There are always people who are going to believe this is not for real. I realize that. But keep at it and you will see for yourself, and then all these guys will do is irritate you a little.
By the way, I am going to run their test tomorrow morning. And you know what? THEN they are going to want a different test or they are going to say I faked the results. But either way, I will be done jumping through hoops for them and I will have even MORE proof that we have something here.
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Duncan - Thank you for the reply. I may actually try 3BGS in the future but for now, would like to see what Dave and the Physicist (what a name for a book!) come up with.
Dave - Thanks - Just anxious to see what you come up with since you are the most qualified to get the most out of 3BGS operation.Comment
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CrystalDipoleMatrix,
I went over to overunity and read the last page of posts where they are talking about the battery chemistry. I have a lot of respect for some of the people over there but some of them have made up their minds that it is impossible to come up with any different kind or source of energy than what they have been taught. For that reason no matter what anyone does they are simply not going to believe it or will try and come up with some other explanation. I am not sure why that forum is even there as almost no one there has an open mind or the willingness to consider there may be things they don't know about.
Their explanation about the battery chemistry just does not fit what we are seeing. They are claiming there is hidden power in a badly sulfated battery. There may be some power there but I can't believe there is the amount of power we are getting from a dead battery. A digital multimeter only draws micro-amps of current when measuring voltage. Yet when connected to one of our "good" bad batteries the meter shows zero or nearly zero volts. If a battery is so badly sulfated it can't even provide a few micro-amps of current to show a voltage on the meter then how could it possible have any real energy stored in it?
They are also overlooking another thing about this circuit. The third battery is connected in opposite polarity to the two primary batteries. Now even if that battery had a full charge how could it overcome the voltage of the two primary batteries and the motor in order to put some charge back into the two primary batteries? In fact as Dave said if that battery is showing charge then the effect of the primaries rising in voltage goes away. This is just the opposite of what they are claiming.
On my last successful run last week I used the newer circuit that was posted earlier. There is a newer one now with the ground in a different place but I used the one before it with the ground at the junction of the two positives of the dead batteries and with the pancake coil and the buffer battery. I only used a couple of small dc motors I had and four 7 ah emergency lighting batteries. I use a slightly larger 12 ah battery as my buffer battery. When I first started the system my primaries dropped about .05 volts from their resting voltage. After a 5 hour run they still were at the same place voltage wise. I know the argument that voltage doesn't tell the whole story but it does give some indication of whether or not a battery is being discharged or charged. After I turned the system off the two primary batteries went UP in voltage about .1 volt ABOVE where they were before the test started. Where did the extra charge come from? My 2 dead batteries still showed almost no charge on them and the buffer battery still showed almost exactly the same as it did before the run. As Dave has said if we keep the buffer battery from charging then we get charging on the primaries. Why? Their explanation of the sulfated batteries giving back power does not explain why we have to keep the buffer battery from charging to get the primaries to charge.
By the way I will not waste any time posting this at overunity. I only answered your post because I feel you are sincerely looking to understand what is going on with this system. I think there are only a few people that are just now beginning to get a good feel for what is happening. I am just very thankful they are willing to share that with the rest of us.
Respectfully, CarrollJust because someone disagrees with you does NOT make them your enemy. We can disagree without attacking someone.Comment
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One other thing you have to understand is Sulfation is not the end of the batteries life. Generally Sulfation will remove itself with any abrubt charge. It starts to melt back into its 2 parts.Originally posted by CrystalDipoleMatrix View Post
A really dead battery like 2 to 0 volt with more than 100 milliohms of impedance, that won't recover generally suffers "Lead Depletion" This happens on the negative plates. The acid no longer can reduce the lead to a microscopic form and deposit it on the positive plates in the form of a crystal lattice to store energy.
A battery that suffers that along with sulfation cannot even hold energy. The sulfation has blocked the storage facility in the lattice.
So dead battery cannot deliver energy it cannot store.
Like I said if it was just sulfation the battery would recovery to some point. Its internal impedance would drop and the voltage would hold. If the battery slowly creeps back down to near zero it is not just a sulfation its an actual failure of the storage device inside the battery.
I can prove it all too. I am not just talking its something I have worked on for quite a while. I can show you (but I won't) circuit that remove the sulfation that come from a battery right out of the factory, its always in there too, then continues to not only grow more crystal on the positive plate but forms something on the negative plates to start storing energy from other sources. I am not bragging what I am telling you is these people who think they know what they are talking about are fools who do not even have a clue and could not begin to explain why or how in some cases a battery works.
Trouble yourself over them and you will achieve nothing.
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Matt knows his stuff when it comes to batteries. He builds and sells a battery charger that is AWESOME. I have one running in my basement even as we speak and use it to "condition" my batteries plus bring them up to charge evils higher than they were when they came from the factory. He SHOULD be taking orders for those things, but I don't think he has the time to build a lot of them. He has done his research on batteries and what make them work, and I know he has some battery test equipment I would kill for.
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Your equipment is antique you say? My oscilloscope weighs twenty pounds just like yours! I am jealous of your garage; I only have a small kitchen table or to cook or freeze in the storage shed. And look what a wonderful job you have done with your antiques.Originally posted by Duncan View Post
Duncan is a difficult read for me sometimes but when I take the time and I am able to sort it out; I have always found genius.
He has found something of monumental importance. I built Matt's motor with Randy's help and encouragement, and I found something unusual. I have talked off and on with the people of this thread in emails for months now.
And there are others in the background that I haven't talked to but all of these people have something in common. They have a dedication to the betterment of this planet. I have not sensed one single hint of greed or dishonesty. They have all shown me great knowledge, courage, and dedication to making this happen. These are intelligent people spending their own money and asking no one for anything except to listen, learn, and then do.
This is the only thread that holds my attention and brings me here to read. It is the only technology that I have been willing to invest my time and money into because I know without doubt the things happening here are real. My time and money have been limited and so has my involvement, but that is the only reason. I chose raising food and chickens but I am caught up now and ready to do some things.
Anyone who isn't stuck in a Russian International Airport or being wrongly convicted of everything but treason for doing the right thing should make every effort to duplicate 3BGS and Duncan's resonant battery system so as to get to the bottom of that diamond in the rough.
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