3 Battery Generating System

[torpex]

Hi all,

It has been some time since I come keeping on this thread. It is a very interesting theme and I send my congratulations for yours efforts investigating the effect.

@Turion
I understand that configuration has not returned to work in the original shape.I have observed a circuit to work correct and next do not work without apparent cause.
At this moment I am trying with Ufopolitics's circuit, keeping on his thread. I have managed to see an indicator of radiant with the purple light of neon, but sometimes it works and other ones no, untouched absolutely nothing. I do not explain to myself to what he can be owed, I have tried some things and I do not find the pattern. In general I get the effect with some conditions to the 90 % and with another configuration to the 80 % approximately.

I keep on this thread and and I hope to be able to replicate the circuit soon.

[ehsanco1062]

3 BGS test - YouTube

[Turion]

ehsanco1062,

Glad to see you here building a setup and messing with it. You are giving us good information.
Watch your primaries after the experiment. How long until they come back to where they started from, if they ever do? They SHOULD, but everybody's setup is a little different.

If you get it to balance, but are unable to keep it in balance, it usually means you do NOT have enough of a load on battery three and it is being allowed to charge. As soon as it gains some voltage, its potential changes and messes everything up. This is the main reason you need a really DEAD battery for number three----one that won't take a charge.

David

[ehsanco1062]

Hi Turion

Your thread is interesting and exiting a lot of people here working hard and I think that this is promising and I think that we are here close to get some good result and I am just waiting to charge my battery to go with the tests I have many thing in my mind to try I am just trying to replicate your way because it's simple and every one can do it but the only difficulty is with the dead battery I was hopping that some one can replicate Matt schematic the one that he use the cap instead of the dead and wings battery and I am sure that the dead battery is acting lick capacitor .the problem is that Matt using the propelar and I have the basic stamp the one we use it on Matt tesla switch so that work then I need the p-Chanel Mosfet and some ather parts but I am just waiting because Matt says to wait , but untill then I am trying with your set up and I hope some one can get it working and tuned soon.

I hope you can do it because you start it and you deserve to complete it.

Good luck

[LutherG]

Thanks for joining in!

Hi Turion

Your thread is interesting and exiting a lot of people here working hard and I think that this is promising and I think that we are here close to get some good result and I am just waiting to charge my battery to go with the tests I have many thing in my mind to try I am just trying to replicate your way because it's simple and every one can do it but the only difficulty is with the dead battery I was hopping that some one can replicate Matt schematic the one that he use the cap instead of the dead and wings battery and I am sure that the dead battery is acting lick capacitor .the problem is that Matt using the propelar and I have the basic stamp the one we use it on Matt tesla switch so that work then I need the p-Chanel Mosfet and some ather parts but I am just waiting because Matt says to wait , but untill then I am trying with your set up and I hope some one can get it working and tuned soon.

I hope you can do it because you start it and you deserve to complete it.

Good luck

Hi Ehsan,

Thanks for joining in and reporting your results so far. I don't think it'll be much longer before we have this system working for us.

Cheers,

Luther

[Turion]

I'm working on mine right now. Got all the parts, and should have it done in the next day or so. I only have a small transformer wound right now, but that should work for messing with.

You can use the stamp instead of the propeller. The propeller just has the ability to control more things. The stamp should work just fine for this. I have a stamp also, and will be getting a propeller one of these days. Unfortunately, there are several things ahead of it on my list of "must have" items.

Dave

[ehsanco1062]

[boguslaw]

Overvoltage protection is second issue on my list to learn. Somebody has experience with this topic ? I know we can use zener diodes in low power circuits but the way it is described is not good because it require resistor between power source and load to dissipate current when overvoltage incident happen. That resistance is however part of circuit even when there is no over-voltage.

[m786]

Overvoltage protection is second issue on my list to learn. Somebody has experience with this topic ? I know we can use zener diodes in low power circuits but the way it is described is not good because it require resistor between power source and load to dissipate current when overvoltage incident happen. That resistance is however part of circuit even when there is no over-voltage.

you can use varistors or transils to do it.

[ehsanco1062]

Trying cap instead of bad battery

Hi all

I tried to used caps instead of the bad battery and as I said in my previous post I have 1 farad 20v and because it's not cheap so I didn't take the risk to try it and since I have 5 x10000mf 50v so i thouht it Will be agood replace for the 1 farad 20v and here is my notices during the test:
1.When run the circuit and have no load the motor start for 1sec and stop and the voltage across the motor jump to 3.3v and then after one sec goes to 0 and across the cap start with 22.3 and then after one second goes to 24.4
2.when I put 5w load the motor start for 2sec and then stop the voltage across the motor was 5.3 and the voltage across the cap start with 12v and then goes to 25.4v.
3. When I put 10w load the motor start slowly and continue with that slow speed and the voltage across the motor start with 5.9v and the stop on 1.2v and the motor continue on its slow speed and the voltage across the cap start with 8.5v and then stop on 22.2v.
3.when I hook 15w load the motor start running more faster and the voltage was 6.2v and the voltage across the cap was 18.6v
4. When I put 20 w load the motor start running fast and the voltage across the motor was 14.7 v and the voltage across the cap was 9.6v .
5. When I hook up a 0.3a fan across the motor and 25 w load across the cap the voltage across the motor was 12.79 v and across the cap was 11.5v and the system was stable .

But I could never be able to recover the primarily to its original voltage even after 10hr rest.i wish I could have to DC motors to get benefit from the rotation of the motor which I am west it right now .

Ehsan

[ehsanco1062]

Hi Turion

I have just a quick question how much should be the voltage across the dead battery I mean the ideal one ?

[mbrownn]

Hi all

I tried to used caps instead of the bad battery and as I said in my previous post I have 1 farad 20v and because it's not cheap so I didn't take the risk to try it and since I have 5 x10000mf 50v so i thouht it Will be agood replace for the 1 farad 20v and here is my notices during the test:
1.When run the circuit and have no load the motor start for 1sec and stop and the voltage across the motor jump to 3.3v and then after one sec goes to 0 and across the cap start with 22.3 and then after one second goes to 24.4
2.when I put 5w load the motor start for 2sec and then stop the voltage across the motor was 5.3 and the voltage across the cap start with 12v and then goes to 25.4v.
3. When I put 10w load the motor start slowly and continue with that slow speed and the voltage across the motor start with 5.9v and the stop on 1.2v and the motor continue on its slow speed and the voltage across the cap start with 8.5v and then stop on 22.2v.
3.when I hook 15w load the motor start running more faster and the voltage was 6.2v and the voltage across the cap was 18.6v
4. When I put 20 w load the motor start running fast and the voltage across the motor was 14.7 v and the voltage across the cap was 9.6v .
5. When I hook up a 0.3a fan across the motor and 25 w load across the cap the voltage across the motor was 12.79 v and across the cap was 11.5v and the system was stable .

But I could never be able to recover the primarily to its original voltage even after 10hr rest.i wish I could have to DC motors to get benefit from the rotation of the motor which I am west it right now .

Ehsan

Thanks for the test results, I have not seen anyone post about doing this test although I do not read every post. We will never know if the battery can be replaced by a capacitor unless it is tested. Maybe you should try a smaller cap with a resistor in series.

It would be interesting to measure the impedance and capacitance of a dead battery that was found to work. I suspect it is also related to the size of the supply batteries and specs of the motor. Once we have narrowed down the parameters it will make replication easier.

[ehsanco1062]

Hi mbrownn

here is the video for the test I did I hope it will help see the test not just read it.



2 BGS with caps part 1 - YouTube


2 BGS with caps part 2 - YouTube

Ehsan

[ehsanco1062]

Hi Ehsan,

Thanks for joining in and reporting your results so far. I don't think it'll be much longer before we have this system working for us.

Cheers,

Luther

[mbrownn]

Hi mbrownn

here is the video for the test I did I hope it will help see the test not just read it.



2 BGS with caps part 1 - YouTube


2 BGS with caps part 2 - YouTube

Ehsan

Thanks for the video as it reveals more about your setup. Your motor does have a small load on it as it is driving the gearbox of the drill. One other thing to note is that the motors in these drills often have a small capacitor inside to reduce radio interference which is likely to reduce the backspikes.

We know that the dead batteries act a little like a capacitor and they have a high internal impedance so you are likely to need a resistor in series with your capacitor to make the capacitor perform more like the dead battery.

When looking at the voltage on the supply battery, we want to see it rise. this is quite normal on most loads, but we want it to remain above the standing voltage or at the standing voltage for the duration. It may be possible to load it so that the voltage drops slightly below standing voltage as we know the charging effect of spikes is disproportionate to their power.