Bedini 10-coil

[Plazma]

Charge controller Test Side-by-Side?

@Ozy~

I've thought some more about the charge efficiency test you suggested in your last post. Since I do have some charge controllers by Xantrex on back-order, when these arrive I could run the test you suggest, provided I get some of the battery testing and early-on charging and solar array tests out of the way first.

The Xantrex units are 40 Amp - the Bedini Tesla unit is 30 Amp. I might have to do some 'tuning' to match conditions but I already have matched sets of solar quadrants in the upper half of the solar array and the pair of batteries I'm testing right now seem very, very close to one-another.

So, the test you suggest is a future possibility. As an aside, the Xantrex units were to be used as 'voltage regulators' in some other experiments and not targeted for battery charging vis-a-vis the Tesla Amp.

Isn't serendipity great or what?!

Best,

Plazma

[Aaron]

@Ozy

Au-ssie sounds like A.C. (two of my favorite initials)...

You have been removed for continued insults, etc... please do not sign
up for another acct - it is against forum rules as is name calling and other
behavior. You have NOT been censored. You were given multiple chances
to start your own thread and voice your pro co2 global warming opinions
but continued to defy multiple requests in that thread to do so.

Calling respected members retarded and other demeaning names is
completely unacceptable and simply will not be tolerated. Thank you for
your cooperation in not signing up for another account.

Debating is one thing but disrespectful childish name calling is another and
is not welcome in this forum, period, end of story.

[nenergy]

OverUnityResearch related

found this on the other forum, maybe useful to those doing 10 coil

posted by milehigh

The bottom line is I don't have to do anything. It's up to Jeff Wilson, Rick Friedrick and John Bedini to find a willing customer that will purchase a system from them. I posted that any person purchasing a system like this should demand up-front specifications and performance criteria in writing. In this realm, there is no guarantee that that will happen.

If you want to get a feeling for someone else's real-life experience with a 10-coiler, check out Preston Stroud:

YouTube - prestonstroud's Channel


MileHigh

[albertMunich]

A slightly sour note:
I just had a look at the pompously named Truth In Heart website....
Rick has set the next conference to the last weekend of June next year.Good news. The bad news is that at the same time he raised the price of admission from 250 to 450 dollars. The 10 coil machine is 4500 Dollars now. If I remember correctly it started at 3000 Dollars. Draw your conclusions. I don't want a kit for a toy sized Bedini included in the admission price...I have too many of these things lying around and I doubt if I could take one on an international flight. If this shows up in the X Ray everyone will think its an infernal machine...
I know there is much time invested in developing this stuff but----do they think we are all Russian Mafia magnates? If I went to the congress from Germany the whole weekend would cost me more than 3000 Euros. If anything I think the prices for the hardware should go down after a while after the initial investment has been paid back.
Who can afford this kind of stuff at these prices? Most of us do this research on a shoestring budget, at night in our spare time. At these rates free energy research will become another luxury toy.
A slightly grumpy
Albert

[Aaron]

@nenergy

found this on the other forum, maybe useful to those doing 10 coil

posted by milehigh

The bottom line is I don't have to do anything. It's up to Jeff Wilson, Rick Friedrick and John Bedini to find a willing customer that will purchase a system from them. I posted that any person purchasing a system like this should demand up-front specifications and performance criteria in writing. In this realm, there is no guarantee that that will happen.

If you want to get a feeling for someone else's real-life experience with a 10-coiler, check out Preston Stroud:

YouTube - prestonstroud's Channel


MileHigh

If anyone wants to read what Mile High has to say, they can go elsewhere
where he is actually a member. Thank you! Read his posts in the original
Ainslie thread - he disqualified himself from being any kind of expert on
anything in this entire field as he doesn't even know how an inductor works.

These kits are sold as experimental machines and they are NOT sold
with overunity claims even though some builders have achieved it.

Preston doesn't know why he hasn't found overunity and he's been working
on this project for a year, seriously? ONE SINGLE YEAR

Preston needs to use some real connections and forget about all the
alligator clip leads for the mechanical contact leads - even with alligator
clips he says he is getting cop 1.0 (breaking even) but nevertheless,
bad connections are a no-no for OBVIOUS reasons. Discharging a cap
and letting the pressurized output hit roadbumps along the way - just might
upset the flow just a tad bit, don't you think?

[John_K]

Albert,

I think that is a bit harsh. Why do you say "pompous"?

The conference is the last weekend in July. The price has increased because the conference is now for 3 days, meaning there will be more time to cover things.

We are planning more workshops which be aimed at people at different levels. If there are kits supplied they will be there so people can learn more about the technology, not just as a take home toy. I have taken plenty of parts home on the plane and never had problems.

The 10-coiler has always been $4500, it is $3000 for the additional 10 coil kit so you are wrong about the price.

I am coming from Australia and it will cost me more than $3000, but I have 7 months to save up, bit IMHO it will be worth every cent.

I know Rick and John are planning bigger and better things this time. It will be better organized with even more surprises in store. There will also be activities and the chance for people to mingle in the evenings so this is not just limited to attending during the day and you do your own things at night.

Rick has booked out the whole CDA resort for this conference, 250 rooms that can accommodate 4 people per room. 1000 people can attend, all the conference rooms have also been booked.

This is also high season in CDA, so the rooms need to be registered otherwise you will have to bring a tent If you or anyone are interested in attending you will need to register a room before they are booked. Rick has created a Yahoo group with more information and polls for people to indicate what they want. The group is called "Renaissance2011Convention", just search for that at Yahoo groups. I will paste a link later.

Aaron, maybe we should start a new thread for this and move this post over?


John K.

A slightly sour note:
I just had a look at the pompously named Truth In Heart website....
Rick has set the next conference to the last weekend of June next year.Good news. The bad news is that at the same time he raised the price of admission from 250 to 450 dollars. The 10 coil machine is 4500 Dollars now. If I remember correctly it started at 3000 Dollars. Draw your conclusions. I don't want a kit for a toy sized Bedini included in the admission price...I have too many of these things lying around and I doubt if I could take one on an international flight. If this shows up in the X Ray everyone will think its an infernal machine...
I know there is much time invested in developing this stuff but----do they think we are all Russian Mafia magnates? If I went to the congress from Germany the whole weekend would cost me more than 3000 Euros. If anything I think the prices for the hardware should go down after a while after the initial investment has been paid back.
Who can afford this kind of stuff at these prices? Most of us do this research on a shoestring budget, at night in our spare time. At these rates free energy research will become another luxury toy.
A slightly grumpy
Albert

[Aaron]

over 1.0 cop

even with alligator
clips he says he is getting cop 1.0 (breaking even) but nevertheless,
bad connections are a no-no for OBVIOUS reasons. Discharging a cap
and letting the pressurized output hit roadbumps along the way - just might
upset the flow just a tad bit, don't you think?

p.s. and he is claiming he is breaking even at 1.0 and he has NOT even
included the mechanical work. He needs Peter's Electric Motor Secrets so
he knows how to properly calculate it and add that to his 1.0 cop
break even results. Again, some people can't recognize over 1.0 cop
even if it is right in front of them!

[Plazma]

Tedium ad Nauseum (not)

To All . . .

For what it's worth, I have a technique that helps eliminate a lot of the tedium in stripping the magnet wire ends that I am using on the 10-coiler build. I'll toss this out so that those that have the need can maybe benefit.

I have recently purchased a very in-expensive set of Dremel Tool bits that are coated with diamond dust. With a Dremel Drive set at its lowest speed, the following bits do a very effective job of removing magnet wire insulation: a) a cylindrical-shaped bit about 3/8 inch long; b) a conical-shaped bit; and c) a truncated pyramidical-shaped bit.

If one does not have a Dremel Tool, a battery-powered drill could work, too - however, the Dremel is much lighter and easier to manipulate.

Just use a light touch and let the diamond bit do the work so as to minimize copper loss. Work your way around the wire. This takes just a few seconds to get very shiny, exposed copper.

The bit set I purchased was from HobbyToolSupply on Amazon.com for about $14.00 for a 50pc set of various shaped bits. These can save a lot of time.

Cheers,

Plazma

[theremart]

Stripping magnet wire..

Use a candle. Coating oxides then scrap gently with a knife.

That is my method of choice. Thanks for sharing another way.

[Plazma]

10-Coiler Trigger Resistance

General Question:

Has anyone used a (higher wattage) potentiometer in the trigger circuit of the 10-coiler for ease in tuning? If so, any suggestions as to wattage, turns, and possible resistance combinations? Of specific interest are general guidlines for 24 volt source and 24 volt charging. In addition to the fixed, higher wattage resistors that came in the kits I have a few of these higher wattage resistors of the same manufacturer in my stock. Still, a pot would be helpful. Thanks for any suggestions.

Plazma

[erfinder]

General Question:

Has anyone used a (higher wattage) potentiometer in the trigger circuit of the 10-coiler for ease in tuning? If so, any suggestions as to wattage, turns, and possible resistance combinations? Of specific interest are general guidlines for 24 volt source and 24 volt charging. In addition to the fixed, higher wattage resistors that came in the kits I have a few of these higher wattage resistors of the same manufacturer in my stock. Still, a pot would be helpful. Thanks for any suggestions.

Plazma

I don't have a 10 coil device...I built a 12 coil master/slave machine....I presently use a 60 watt pot in the trigger....I exceed the wattage rating of this pot at least two fold for very brief periods...I lost three of these things doing that, you think I would have learned my lesson after the second one went up in a cloud of smoke.....that tends to happen when you pump over 200 watts into this circuit.

I'm looking for 500watt 1K Ohm rheostats, I am also seeking 500watt 1K Ohm tandem rheostats. If anyone has a tip where I can locate either of these at a price that an unemployed man can pay...please PM me....

Regards

[faramog]

Greetings All,

After some 'soak' time post-conference, I'd like to share some very rudimentary and early-on charging findings ref Bedini's Tesla Solar-Kick Amp in charging some 'modest' batteries. Here's the setup underway:

I'm feeding about 300 watts off of my solar array (on average) to the Tesla unit. It is charging a pair of Solar-1 880 amp-hr batteries connected in parallel and doing, what appears to be, a masterful job of pushing them up the charge curve. I started this current test at 8 AM (fairly low light) with the batteries at 12.75 volts. At noon the voltge read 13.2-13.3 with pulses on my analog ammeter of about 10 amps peak. During the time from 9-noon I was selecting various combinations of solar panels so as to keep the ammeter readings below 10 amps peak (quite variable ambient light conditions this time of year). Right now, as I type, the light conditions are waning so I have all the panels active and I'm seeing ammeter pulses that peak at about 3-4 amps, or so. Voltage is up to 13.3 + volts. Right at noon I shut down for an hour so as to give the rig a rest and resumed charging at 1PM. The restart voltage after resting an hour had settled down to 13.05 volts.

While its really early in testing, I'm pleased at the progress. I'm trying to be cautious and rest the batteries a lot and also not push the Tesla unit too much as I'm just beginning to get a feel of things. For example, I'll soon shut down and let the batteries rest overnight and resume testing tomorrow AM. I noticed during today's test that the case of the Tesla unit was cold to the touch with no apparent heat rise at the conditions being tested. Once I finish this initial charge I will run hydroometer tests on the individual battery cells as part of their baseline characterization.

And, speaking of cold, it was very cold last night and all day today and we'll have a frigid night tonight, too. So, it will be interesting to see how the batteries behave overnight.

As an aside, the pair of batteries under test are the supply or excitation batteries I will use on my 10-coiler. I held off finishing the 10-coiler because of the conference which was just terrific. I have 3 more pairs of Solar-1's rated at 880 Amp Hrs each that will be charged by the 10-coiler. I may do initial equalization charges on those battery sets using the Tesla unit, too - depends on how thing go the next few days.

Also, I use double-pole knife switches on custom panels that I built so as to isolate, select, and route the various energy pathways between all of the elements in my system. The batteries are in their own enclosure adjacent to the lab. All battery cables are isolated and fused. The cables run into the lab via 3-inch pvc pipes that interconnect the lab and battery box.

Here's hoping for sunny days,

Plazma

Sounds an interesting setup. I assume that ultimately you plan on using the 5,000 odd AH of batteries to power your house. Are you just planning on using the 10-coiler to maintain them and the solar panel to charge them via the Tesla switch ?

I'd be very interested in your results

Thanks

[iankoglin]

Re Pot

General Question:

Has anyone used a (higher wattage) potentiometer in the trigger circuit of the 10-coiler for ease in tuning? If so, any suggestions as to wattage, turns, and possible resistance combinations? Of specific interest are general guidlines for 24 volt source and 24 volt charging. In addition to the fixed, higher wattage resistors that came in the kits I have a few of these higher wattage resistors of the same manufacturer in my stock. Still, a pot would be helpful. Thanks for any suggestions.

Plazma

G'Day Plazma
I have not had any success with tuning my Rick's 10 coiler to make it easier I purchased a 100 ohm 50 watt pot here "http://www.tedss.com/specSearch.asp?pn=R10050W38X12FWS&ct=Rheostat&em=y "

I have tried for almost 1 year now but still have not found a sweet spot I was however able to charge some truck batteries that I have been conditioning over time with one of my other machines.

I purchased 12 new Trojan T105's to use on Rick's machine I have them set up as 1-24v 225 ah as primary battery and 1- 24v 450ah as charge battery I am never able to charge the Charge battery over 24.5?volts I feel that the reason is that these batteries being new are not conditioned.
The Trojan Battery manuel states that these new batteries will not deliver their full rated capacity .This is normal and should be expected as it takes time to "work the battery up" Trojan batteries take between 50 - 100 cycles to work up to providing full peak capacity

I hope this is of some help
Kindest regards Kogs

[Mark]

Koggs

Not be able to charge over 24.5 volts? That's not good at all. Can you charge them higher with a conventional charger?

[Plazma]

10-coiler tuning

@Kogs

Thanks for the info and the prompt reply. I agree with Mark about the voltage issue . . . for example, the spec sheet on my Solar 1's suggest 12.75 Volts is fully charged. However, they also suggest a monthly or bi-monthly 'equalization charge' where the charging voltage is taken to 14.5 VDC for about 3 hours so as to fully turn over any stratification of fluids in the individual cells. So, for me, 25.5 volts at a nominal 24 volt arrangement is "fully charged" - and, I am still wondering about the 'equalization' issue. I'd rather get the 10-coiler to do its thing and 'cold-boil' the target batteries.

There are a lot of issues ref the 10-coiler (like what is the correct winding direction on the coils, terminal blocks that, in my opinion were never intended to be bent 90 degrees, base resistor settings for a 24 volt setup, and so forth). Maybe, together, we can get some of these resolved.

Since I have 3, separate 24 volt banks for 'charging' and a 4th bank for excitation, I can charge from the 10-coiler as well as from Xantrex units via solar. The Tesla kick charger takes solar and charges just the excitation bank.

I can discharge the test banks back into my local grid using grid-tie inverters sized beneath the C20 rate of the Solar 1's. Yes, it might take a long, long time to fully condition such a large battery set. However, Bedini says 'the magic is in the battery' so I hope, in the fullness of time, to experience some of that magic

Now that I FINALLY have all of the support infrastructure in place, I can devote full time to just the 10-coiler and its issues.

Cheers,

Plazma