bedini ssg

[patmac]

Do you need answers?.

I've problems with my violin too ...
This is your threat so you need answers.

Look my tip about 5 minutes off and on is a deeper study made by me, I've wasted many many time charging and descharging the battery:

First, if you batts are brand new you need keep them in good condition, please avoid discharge them fully, I've damaged two batts. Disconnect the circuit when charge goes below 12 volts, this keep the batt like new per years.

Second, you can make test a interrsting finding another batt, try to charge two batts in parallel is possible recover more energy than one battery. Batts don't takes energy at the same rate that you extract energy from them. Charging two batts you can recalculate if you're recovering more energy than one.

Third, with three batteries you can try the tesla switch mode, by putting two in series and putting the charging batt in parallel. I've reached 80% recover guarantee in this fashion without tricks, maybe is possible get more with more batts in parallel ? I'm not sure.

A little gift look in the attach the circuit please carefull if you make a wrong connection you can blow up the transistor... It's incredible but anybody has tested this circuit for now is my idea haha.

The circuit can recover a little of the energy wasted like current, if the coils are low impendance then this circuit can avoid heating on coil or transistors and send the energy to the charging battery. When transistor switch off then perfectly sends the energy to the charging battery with the correct polarity. C1 capacitor can be needed if the batt are small the cap match the impedance, normally I use my big audio cap 1.5 Farads, but I think 2000 - 15000 uf is ok.

80% eff for me is begin with the batteries fully charged correctly with voltage equalization etc, and discharge one with a bulb and calculating watts consumed, then putting the batt on the devices and measure how many watts are needed to recharge the battery. Then you could rotate the batteries and use your devices (like motor?). But Hey! you sooner o later will notice a fully charging is necessary to keep the battery is good condition, then you maybe will need to use a battery charger or well a Bedini solid state or connect your devices on wall transformer etc, To recharge correctly your batteries.

Regards...

[Zooty]

exactly!

about the cap, there's is no load applyed when the cap is fully charged, if it is empty then will slow down your rotor, till it is completely charged!

if you try to discharge the cap in cycles, you still will have load effects, during the time he is charging!



BOOM

Not unless you discharge your cap in between magnet passes

[TanTric]

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good point, but are you talking about generator coils? because the cap will fully discharge in one pulse, but will not fully charge in the folowing one magnet pulse, (also depends on the capacitance)....

maybe with very low capacitance the rotor will not show the load drag effect, have you allready experimented with this? what cap values do you suggest?



BOOM

Not unless you discharge your cap in between magnet passes

[patmac]

I want to give my opinion again based on my experience.


Ok. The Bedini Mechanical Oscillator is not a conventional DC motor, because is pulsed, because pulses are like PWM normally pulses are identicall on high rpm or low rpm only change the frequency.

If you put your amp meter on the SG and using your hand trying to stop it, the amp drawing is going down. Then Why do you want recharge the cap keeping the rpm stable?.

I've one solution, Bedini gives the solution for this inconvenient, Newman gives the same solution.

Putting mass weight on the rotor, you'll sacrifce rpm but this rpm don't burn energy because amp drawing is going down too. But Hey!, this mass weignt spinning you'll give a little of momentanium TORQUE, then you'll need to find a precise size capacitor depending of your Mass.

Coonect, and SG start, take rpm's, cap charge, then discharge, Cap generates some drag, but Mass help you to sustain the rpm if you put the correct capacitor. Hehe is resonance mechanical - electrical. Like a pendulum, I've tested a pendulum too, hehe big so I disassemble it. Not was OU but I've learned so much about AC and resonance with that stuff. This means is possible get a better efficiency by use the Mass.

Regards.

[cikljamas]

Originally Posted by Sucahyo : I think you do it wrong. If you want greater efficiency you should atleast use 10 diode full wave bridge rectifier for 4 ssg, assuming all sharing the same power source. a pair of diode to the positive, 4 pair of diode to ssg output. Where the common connection pair goes to the charged battery.

If each of my oscillator has 0.2A output charging an SLA, three of them will charge the same SLA with 0.6A. And it seems the efficiency gets better with more work in tandem.

Each stator of 8 (two 4 coils) has its own bridge delta rectifier and they are
all connected in parellel, each plus of 8 coils together, each minus of 8 coils
together, 8 * 4 is 32 diodes 4007, that is more than "atleast 10 diodes"...
Maybe it is too much, I m not shure what does it means : "a pair of diode
to the positive, 4 pair of diode to ssg otuput", could you shou me schematic
for that ?...What is SLA, google doesnt tell me...

Originally Posted by patmac : Third, with three batteries you can try the tesla switch mode, by putting two in series and putting the charging batt in parallel. I've reached 80% recover guarantee in this fashion without tricks, maybe is possible get more with more batts in parallel ? I'm not sure

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6093&stc=1&d=1279910403

Is this what you meant ?...Can you explain phases 1,2,3,4...Each of this
phases need different position of batteries, or you dont reconnect them
at all through all 4 phases ?

[cikljamas]

[patmac]

Yeah! you can make a full cycle by switch them, but really the idea is prove mathematically is possible recover 80% energy used like a battery charger and mechanical work is a bonus.

The suggested by Bedini coils are low impendance like yours. I think is real idea I'm not sure why reason this setup is not shown anywhere... For the charging battery coils is more like a normal conductor.

You can add another coil for recover energy produced by magnet passes like suggested Rick Friedrich and his self running SG. Look on Peswiki.

[cikljamas]

You can add another coil for recover energy produced by magnet passes like suggested Rick Friedrich and his self running SG. Look on Peswiki.

If i good assume, in that case we should make different orientations for
every second magnet, so we had (if there was 8 on the rotor) 4 north
and 4 south orientated magnets...Do you think that would not disturb
the rotation of the rotor, Im asking because I have not tryed yet such
construction ?

[cikljamas]

But I tried this one on the picture "rotor generator", diodes are
in star connection, and I got over 14 V with a little help of
capacitor 10 mikroF, 400 V, but amperage is so low that I
cant do noething with that 14 V, no charging, but Im not
supprissed after I saw how 1.6 A gained from one of my 4 coils
ssgs could not charge one of those batteries that I wrote about
few posts before...Is there anyone who could help me with some
advise regarding this ?
First, I thought I could make another generator with fater wire
but after story with two 4 coil ssgs I dont know what to think
about that...

[smw1998a]

For your information

I've problems with my violin too ...
[B]This is your threat so you need answers.

A little gift look in the attach the circuit please carefull if you make a wrong connection you can blow up the transistor... It's incredible but anybody has tested this circuit for now is my idea haha.

The circuit can recover a little of the energy wasted like current, if the coils are low impendance then this circuit can avoid heating on coil or transistors and send the energy to the charging battery. When transistor switch off then perfectly sends the energy to the charging battery with the correct polarity. C1 capacitor can be needed if the batt are small the cap match the impedance, normally I use my big audio cap 1.5 Farads, but I think 2000 - 15000 uf is ok.

Regards...

Hello patmac,
Your circuit is interesting but sadly not new. This is Ossie Callanan's modified schoolgirl motor. Your inclusion of the capacitor and the reasons why are an interesting addition to the circuit and worth further investigation. The link is to a post from the C.O.P>1 thread where Inquorate and Groundloop, amongst others, did some very interesting work on a similar/hybrid circuit configuration.

The modified schoolgirl circuit charges batteries far more efficiently than the vanilla SSG even without your addition of the capacitor although 80% may be a touch optimistic based on my experience. Still, a very efficient SSG circuit it is.

Regards Lee...

[patmac]

Hehe ok.

It's interesting see somebody has tried it. Really the setup came to my mind like a a clear interpretation of the circuit in the attach. It's a schematic but electrical connections is not shown. So I thought indirectly is talking about Tesla Switch but recovering BEMF in the same time (look attach).

In my test 80% is really clear, but remember give rest time to the batt each 5 minutes. I think the purpose of Bedini on FEG book by using 4 batteries and making a cycle with two in parallel for charging and one for source, is for give resting time to the battery #4.

When you push charge on the battery you'll notice it taking voltage with certain inertia, this inertia occurs when you disconnect voltage is geting lower slowly. This explains that when you push the charge voltage reach a maximum (5 minutes for me), then you disconnect and take 5 minutes to get the minimum. Instanstly when you disconnect battery is charging himself for a little time.

Look on excel book attached, Blue Columns shows a manual test calculating the connect and disconnect each 5 minutes + 5 minutes rest time and again. Battery needed 78 minutes to reach 15,1 volts, Charging continuos has needed 116 minutes to reach it.

Battery was fully charged on slow rates before both test to be sure performance was on top. Battery is a 5 aH liquid acid motorcycle in perfect condition reads 12.63 volts when has 2 or 3 days of rest time.

Was discharged with 21 Watts bulb by 30 minutes

21 x 30 = 630 Watts.

Motor was drawing 0.30 amp X 36 volts. So if the batt reach the top voltage on 58 minutes then COP=1

But need 78 Minutes...

78=74% (was good... Taking account bubling is presented when >14.4 volts is reached.)
58=100%


Regards.

[cikljamas]

Well, let start with this quatation :

I don't think Bedini is a bad guy, he's just not giving much away. He doesn't give the farm away because he can't. That's his right if he so chooses. However, we can benefit from what he does give and use it to our advantage.
I think the SSG is a great thing to build as a learning tool. It shows us how to build a pulse motor and recover excess energy. That's huge in my book. I'm using a variation of that circuit right now in my motor and it works quite well.
Peter Lindeman has admitted that he knows how to build overunity devices but isn't saying anything either. He reveals what he feels comfortable with.
Nevertheless, I've learned a lot from him too.
I look at this field as a big puzzle. I go around collecting every piece I can find, then try and put a few together to make something that works. Each piece by itself isn't worth much, but it might be just what is needed to complete a concept.
It's not easy and can be quite frustrating at times, but that's the way it is on the front end of any learning curve. If you hang in there and keep working at it, understanding will come to you.
The law of attraction will bring the knowledge to you depending on how much you concentrate on a subject. Just like energy, knowledge is free for the asking. Part of this is developing your creative intuition. Your intuition will tell you what is true and what isn't. But it's like any muscle, it requires exercise to become strong. It's also quite subtle, and requires careful attention.
School won't teach us how to use these tools, but I've found them to be the most useful. Patience is the hardest thing to overcome for me, but it has to be endured. Everything comes in it's own time, and sometimes waiting can be arduous.
The end of the world isn't coming anytime soon, regardless of what the doomsayers keep telling us. 2012 will come and go just like all the rest. Free energy will be assimilated into society slowly and steadily. It will all happen when it's time to happen.
In the meantime we get to have all kinds of fun building and discovering new and interesting things.


Ted

Now, I have to ask you all this : People know how to achive OU, but they
must not tell others how it works because some gays come with guns
to your garage and tell you : would you like to end like Stan Mayers ?
So shut your mouth and everything will be alright...Where is the end
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the real government of my country, and that is why I very good know
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But we have to do something not just dreaming...Wake up people !!!
Enough is enough, dont you think so ???????????????????????????

[sucahyo]

could you shou me schematic for that ?...What is SLA, google doesnt tell me...

What I use now, cap is 1uF 250V ceramic:


Notice that only the first one is without capacitor. And it is really important for you to use diode with at least 1 Amp rating. single 1N4001/7 limit the current too much.

With 1.4A input at 10.5 V, mine (with 3 stingo) charge 12V battery at 13V at 0.6A measured with amp meter in series with the battery.



SLA is sealed lead acid battery. A bad battery for COP>1, normal lead acid is better. You might not notice when the charge in SLA is replaced with voltage and start turning SLA into a capacitor, and make you assume that it is OU.

And I think 2N3055 is a bad transistor too. Replacing transistor get me twice more efficiency. tandem it get me another twice more efficiency.

[cikljamas]

Sucahyo, thank you for schematic, and explanations
Hm, yes, I read on the net that we should avoid 2n3055,
but here in Zagreb 2n3055 I can find for 1 $, and MJL21194
cost 7 $, more than double than normal prise...You see how
mafia works ?...Only small example...Small country,big mafia...

[sucahyo]

Sucahyo, thank you for schematic, and explanations
Hm, yes, I read on the net that we should avoid 2n3055,
but here in Zagreb 2n3055 I can find for 1 $, and MJL21194
cost 7 $, more than double than normal prise...You see how
mafia works ?...Only small example...Small country,big mafia...

I find TIP31C+TIP32C combo perform much better with the price of one 2N3055. The transistor has less ampere rating than 2N3055, but I never need high ampere rating because my circuit run under 2 Amp. BD313 (2SB507?) is better than 2N3055 too.

As long as I never spark connection to the charged battery, it survive. At 3V input my TIP31C+TIP32C circuit jolt me real good when I forget to increase the resistance. Three brand of 2N3055 I try can not run at 3V.

If you can get a broken computer power suply at the price of 2N3055, it contain then transistor I mention. My best is KSC5027. But TT2188 or 2SC3866 is not so bad either. Still much much better than 2N3055.