Ionization & Water Fuel

[tutanka]

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What is the sense of that?

[pengrove]

The sense is that I am going with steam so I will need the high voltage method. Just following your advise sir Which did you go with back corona discharge or DC streamer corona discharge?

[Pure Power Corp]

Hello All

1st. I would like to say that Alex has refered to me several times, and I do see the hits to my site. I think alex is trying to get you to think for him, since he appearantly cannot figure it out himself, and since I now refuse to answer any of his questions. He has made several money offers, and then failed to keep his agreements. At first he contacted me for the Oxidant Generator, then he wanted my designs on breaking the water molecule. I did give him alot of wrong information, as I think he only intends to steal, not deal.

2nd. water is H2O, which is H+H+O, not H2+O2

3rd. Stanley Meyers was proven to be a hoax. He had his day in court, and failed to make his device work in front of many engineers and scientists.

It should be noted that water is a possible fuel, but the exact same amount of energy it takes to break the water molecule with electrolysis is less than/or equal to the amount of energy that can be gained via fuel cell, or the bloom box technology.

My work is based on Tesla, Faraday, Farnsworth, Franklin and others.

I have read this forum, and want to thank Aaron for inviting me. Since 1989 I have been working on MIP (Microwave Induced Plasma). I have found several applications, including water plasmatrolysis (electrolysis using MIP)

As this forum is about NH3 or Ammonia, I will say that NASA's Dr. Paul Curto, plasma physicist, also thinks ammonia is a good fuel. But Ammonia has 1/2 the power of diesel.

I myself know that there are better alternatives, which can be made from our waste (ie. trash and sewage). While we will continue to use fossil fuels, we need to develope ways to translate wind and solar power into plasmafication of our waste, and make gasoline/diesel into the fuels of the future. While arc plasma is a proven method, MIP is more efficient. I have been looking for funding for R&D to develope this tech.

I have had several hundred recommendations,
James Tracy's Page - PickensPlan
Dr. Paul A. Curto sent this letter to Senator Inhofe,
Honorable sir,

James Tracy of your home state has some very interesting inventions which may become crucial to both our energy independence and our fight to stave off global warming.

I met Dr. Tracy online at PickensPlan, where he revealed some of his ideas. He is a truly gifted and prolific inventor. He has several other supporters who will also vouch for his abilities, Nelson Camus, and Charles Ivie. He has an application for a grant to assist in his research. Please look into his case. It may be a life saver for millions of Americans.

Sir, I served my Nation as an engineer and scientist for over 42 years, With NASA, the US Army, MITRE, and Dravo Corporation. I was Chief Technologist at NASA until I retired last year, and was known for my work in evaluating all of NASA's most important technological discoveries. I know good ideas when I see one, and this has the right potentialities.

Thank you for your attention.

--Dr. Paul A. Curto,
Potomac, MD 20854
And this one from my Linkedin profile.
James Tracy - LinkedIn

[tutanka]

1st. I would like to say that Alex has refered to me several times, and I do see the hits to my site. I think alex is trying to get you to think for him, since he appearantly cannot figure it out himself, and since I now refuse to answer any of his questions. He has made several money offers, and then failed to keep his agreements. At first he contacted me for the Oxidant Generator, then he wanted my designs on breaking the water molecule. I did give him alot of wrong information, as I think he only intends to steal, not deal.

2nd. water is H2O, which is H+H+O, not H2+O2

3rd. Stanley Meyers was proven to be a hoax. He had his day in court, and failed to make his device work in front of many engineers and scientists.

It should be noted that water is a possible fuel, but the exact same amount of energy it takes to break the water molecule with electrolysis is less than/or equal to the amount of energy that can be gained via fuel cell, or the bloom box technology.

My work is based on Tesla, Faraday, Farnsworth, Franklin and others.

I have read this forum, and want to thank Aaron for inviting me. Since 1989 I have been working on MIP (Microwave Induced Plasma). I have found several applications, including water plasmatrolysis (electrolysis using MIP)

As this forum is about NH3 or Ammonia, I will say that NASA's Dr. Paul Curto, plasma physicist, also thinks ammonia is a good fuel. But Ammonia has 1/2 the power of diesel.

I myself know that there are better alternatives, which can be made from our waste (ie. trash and sewage). While we will continue to use fossil fuels, we need to develope ways to translate wind and solar power into plasmafication of our waste, and make gasoline/diesel into the fuels of the future. While arc plasma is a proven method, MIP is more efficient. I have been looking for funding for R&D to develope this tech.

I have had several hundred recommendations,
James Tracy's Page - PickensPlan
Dr. Paul A. Curto sent this letter to Senator Inhofe,
Honorable sir,

James Tracy of your home state has some very interesting inventions which may become crucial to both our energy independence and our fight to stave off global warming.

I met Dr. Tracy online at PickensPlan, where he revealed some of his ideas. He is a truly gifted and prolific inventor. He has several other supporters who will also vouch for his abilities, Nelson Camus, and Charles Ivie. He has an application for a grant to assist in his research. Please look into his case. It may be a life saver for millions of Americans.

Sir, I served my Nation as an engineer and scientist for over 42 years, With NASA, the US Army, MITRE, and Dravo Corporation. I was Chief Technologist at NASA until I retired last year, and was known for my work in evaluating all of NASA's most important technological discoveries. I know good ideas when I see one, and this has the right potentialities.

Thank you for your attention.

--Dr. Paul A. Curto,
Potomac, MD 20854
And this one from my Linkedin profile.
James Tracy - LinkedIn

James.. don't understand why you write on my thread .. however I reply to you .. I don't have buy anything from you because you don't have anything to sell.. I explain better to all.. you have requested to me 20.000 dollars or more , don't rememeber better, for an home microwave unit composed with an microwave oven and an ball glass that I can build simple for 200$.. On youtube there are more video about microwave plasma using the same system.. For that I suppose that you think that peoples are stupids but sorry not me.. however after tests I know for sure that microwaves don't are the right way.. you spent only some energy.. The only reason that you write here is that you don't sell any microwave unit and you want found moneys from peoples. James peoples don't have and don't want spent moneys, and you don't have anything of interested to sell.. that is real situation. I want specify that you don't have sent to me any plans or designs for build your microwave units and I don't have signed to you any agreement.. because when I have see your video on internet I have clearly understand that you use same simple method used from more other peoples. Sorry but you have not invented nothing of new. About Meyer... I disagree from you .. Stan Meyer was and remain an genius.. sure the water car it was not perfect but with the time and the just intuitions it would have become.

[Pure Power Corp]

Alex,

You came to me, offering money for my designs, I have 40+ stored emails of that. And you have posted my info acting like you had an understanding of the process's involved, when you have no clue.

1. This is not your forum.
2. I am not using glass.
3. I can prove everything I say. I have all the emails you sent me.
4. my basic videos are only to demonstrate the process, not to give you the info to steal it.

All you did is prove you have no clue what you are talking about.
Thanks M%^**%.


BTW glass melts at 426C, I am using Fused Quartz, which has an operating temp of 1150C, and melts at 2000C. The piece in the videos costs $1200.

Here is what you offered.
-------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: RE: GAS ANALYZER
> > From: "alnenc\@libero\.it" <[email protected]>
> > Date: Mon, August 17, 2009 1:03 am
> > To: "james" <[email protected]>
> > James,
> > We sign NDA/contract.. you send us your prototype, we don't touch
> > anything of this, we only test if work with our rotary engine and
> > after we resend to you. If all our tests are ok as aspected we pay
> an
> > license of 40.000 euro/year. Ok?
> > Regards
> > Alessandro


I am no fool, dont try to treat me like one.

[tutanka]

You came to me, offering money for my designs, I have 40+ stored emails of that. And you have posted my info acting like you had an understanding of the process's involved, when you have no clue.

1. This is not your forum.
2. I am not using glass.
3. I can prove everything I say. I have all the emails you sent me.
4. my basic videos are only to demonstrate the process, not to give you the info to steal it.

All you did is prove you have no clue what you are talking about.
Thanks moron.


BTW glass melts at 426C, I am using Fused Quartz, which has an operating temp of 1150C, and melts at 2000C. It the piece in the videos costs $1200.

Here is what you offered.
-------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: RE: GAS ANALYZER
> > From: "alnenc\@libero\.it" <[email protected]>
> > Date: Mon, August 17, 2009 1:03 am
> > To: "james" <[email protected]>
> > James,
> > We sign NDA/contract.. you send us your prototype, we don't touch
> > anything of this, we only test if work with our rotary engine and
> > after we resend to you. If all our tests are ok as aspected we pay
> an
> > license of 40.000 euro/year. Ok?
> > Regards
> > Alessandro


I am no fool, dont try to treat me like one.

James, you can use all you want.. first to spent moneys I want to be sure that isn't a fake.. and yes that is my email but first to see better your video. JAMES READ BETTER "If all our tests are ok as aspected we pay an license of 40.000 euro/year" . You found more peoples that send you 40.000 euro/year for nothing? If you are here is because anything buy your home product.. James isn't seriously sent here private emails and cancel my email address from you post.. however sent you an image of your professional product here can be an good publicity for you..

[Pure Power Corp]

The sense is that I am going with steam so I will need the high voltage method. Just following your advise sir Which did you go with back corona discharge or DC streamer corona discharge?

Pengrove, please be advised that it will blow up in your face, I have the scars to prove that. MIP at 2.45 MHZ is a thermal plasma, which will detonate the HHO.
I dont want to see you get killed, listening to Alex.

This isnt my video, but is a good indication of what will happen.
YouTube - Water Arc Acceleration Plasma Ignition - HHO Hydrogen Cell

Seriously
James Tracy, Mad Scientist

[pengrove]

Pengrove, please be advised that it will blow up in your face, I have the scars to prove that. MIP at 2.45 MHZ is a thermal plasma, which will detonate the HHO.
I dont want to see you get killed, listening to Alex the moron.

Seriously
James Tracy, Mad Scientist

I will not be going that high in frequency. And I also will not be pumping HHO through the discharge tube. Thanks for the concerns.

A microwave magnetron needs a tuned resonant cavity to stay with in frequency. I do not plan on building a tuned cavity.

[Pure Power Corp]

I will not be going that high in frequency. And I also will not be pumping HHO through the discharge tube. Thanks for the concerns.

A microwave magnetron needs a tuned resonant cavity to stay with in frequency. I do not plan on building a tuned cavity.

Then, I would say, find a Non-Thermal plasma resonance frequency which will break the water molecule, and not detonate it. Then use it quickly. Hydrogen and oxygen are not safe to keep mixed, they naturally recombine releasing an electric charge that detonates the remaining gases.

The plasmatron fuel converter is patented buried tech, and has a faraday cage resonance cavity, using a non-thermal plasma to break fuels to their elemental state.

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/pdfs/success/plasmatron-ld-dec01.pdf

[pengrove]

Hydrogen and oxygen are not safe to keep mixed, they naturally recombine releasing an electric charge that detonates the remaining gases.

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehicles...n-ld-dec01.pdf

Yes I have seen the white lightning that HHO lets off when it goes down a vinyl tube.

The goal here is to break down N2 to N so we can mix then recombined and make NH3.

Or I should say we are trying to make NH3 out of water and N20. Which would be the reverse of making N20 and water out of ammonia.

[vrand]

Tim, I'll continue to delete any post that doesn't
discuss how NH3 on demand is a reality in all those old references.

The Anton group, over at Overunity forum looks like they are recirculation the exhaust gases along with 6LPM HHO gases and found that ammonia smell was noted.

Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !
Breakthrough with the Anton HHO cell !

The Google Tranlastion at:

Google Translate

There are some strange effects that we ourselves understand it first.
Sometimes the gas smells slightly of ammonia,
although no such chemical is in play.
We fill Anton half so that more dense water is decomposed.
The Bubbler is more cold than warm.
ANTON itself is only lukewarm.
Even after a very short operation "Anton 500ml sucks from the bubbler,
which, according to Darmstadt University of Technology to a high concentration of
Close nascent hydrogen can be.

exhaust gas recirculation, cooling, air, steam and gas supply.
2nd The engine is the cheapest of condoning and far too "nervous."
3rd The generator is the cheapest of condoning.
4th A switching power supply is not suitable to process irregular network frequencies.
5th The pressure regulator or gas buffer is improved.
6th A clever mixing chamber to swirl and a venturi system must be found.
7th The valve control "is scrap from the factory.
6th Air cooling is crap, because heat can not be recycled.
7th All in all, only a "proof of concept" that is not for discussion.
.... etc.

We first we went only a matter of principle, and therefore,
to understand the previously seen or understood.

On their Youtube video demonstration:
YouTube - Anton HHO cell drives motor-generator with heavy load around 1000 Watts

Getting interesting

Best regards, Mike R.

[Aaron]

Anton cell

Mike,

I saw your post. Stefan also posted in English in that thread that there
is the smell of ammonia "even though no such chemical is in use"

There are quite a few things they can do to optimize their setup but I'm
happy to see they smell ammonia.

[sucahyo]

If you have just atomic nitrogen, what is the point?

Atomic nitrogen and hydrogen can then enable N2 + H2 <-> NH3 equilibrium to shift.

Also, if you dissociate nitrogen into atomic nitrogen,
how long will it remain atomic until it binds to another nitrogen or something
else?

A couple of seconds with AC or DC. up to minutes with pulsed DC, according to previous reference.

How many electrons are in a molecule of nitrogen, N2?

14. Each nitrogen atom has 7 electron. Two at first orbital, 5 at second orbital as valence electron. To be stable nitrogen atom need 8 at the second layer. Each Nitrogen atom see 8 at its valence orbit because the other nitrogen shared it's three electron. When they dissociate, each will have 5 at outer (total of 7).

There is 10 in H2O. Hidrogen see two when each has one, oxygen see 8 at its outer orbital when it actually has 6 (two more at inner layer).

In other word, I think Meyer drawing for H2O is wrong.

In NH3, nitrogen see eight (at outer layer) by shared electron from three hydrogen which have one electron each.

No electron need to be added or removed during transition from water and N2 to NH3.

Changing the free hydrogen into NH3 results in no energy gain, but an energy loss.

Off course, but converting NH3 from water allow energy production. Since you can not burn water without converting it to something else first. Besides Meyer already mention that nitrogen is needed to slow hydrogen combustion. Meyer realize that converting hydrogen to anything else reduce the energy, but he still mention that it is required.

If so has anyone actually given any thought to the reaction processes involved, the balanced chemical equations for such reactions... and whether or not these reactions are even possible?

Reaction is possible, Aaron already post many reference to support that. However, reaction process involved is hard for me to write because I am too unknowledgeable for that.

[vrand]

Mike,

I saw your post. Stefan also posted in English in that thread that there
is the smell of ammonia "even though no such chemical is in use"

There are quite a few things they can do to optimize their setup but I'm
happy to see they smell ammonia.

Aaron,
Yea, the smell of ammonia is VERY interesting. Looks like the HHO is combining with the air intake N2 and engine combustion chamber makes some NH3 and maybe other gases!

Their design is "open source" so anyone can recreate it now and don't have to wait for years until they get a patent!!

Best regards, Mike R.

[chasson321]

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