Oz Nitro Cell

[adam_mizer]

Sodium chloride 6.7-7.3 ph.
You mentioned something about calibrating the cell.

[Slovenia]

pH

Slovenia,

On one page, it was pointed out - the only bolded line on the
whole page discussed that the pH must be 7 or below.

Sodium chloride in water makes pH 7 I think.

But perhaps with some nitrogen compounds in water the water
may become a bit more acidic?

I was told on numerous occasions in the past that pH was of utmost importance and that nitrogen was also an important part of the reaction inside this device. My contacts have not always agreed with each other and so this has also complicated the equation.

I'm starting to listen to my gut more since I have been listening to your audios and my gut tells me that pH isn't as important as we were led to believe. Hopefully we'll be able to get some better intel soon. I think this device can be procured now with the proper considerations.

[Slovenia]

Calibrating Cell

Sodium chloride 6.7-7.3 ph.
You mentioned something about calibrating the cell.

My latest contact used the phraseology that the cell must be properly calibrated with salt. He did not clarify what he meant and I have not talked to him since. I will be trying to continue communication. It is likely that I will be limited in what I can post.

[adam_mizer]

The water if distilled the sodium is a metallic element is it not.
I could see some balance there to make the distilled active with current.
But spring water will have metallic elements in it and I wouldn't know what a calibration is.
We could only try different percentages of sea salt in the water and try to measure the effect not to get a run away current that becomes to high?
Or maybe too much salt may create a chloric situation where the vapor is poorly controlled and has bad effects.
It would be nice to have some way to measure this.

[Slovenia]

Salt

The water if distilled the sodium is a metallic element is it not.
I could see some balance there to make the distilled active with current.
But spring water will have metallic elements in it and I wouldn't know what a calibration is.
We could only try different percentages of sea salt in the water and try to measure the effect not to get a run away current that becomes to high?
Or maybe too much salt may create a chloric situation where the vapor is poorly controlled and has bad effects.
It would be nice to have some way to measure this.

The salt in this case is the electrolyte used to make the water conduct current. Some cells utilize potassium hydroxide or other electrolytes.

We have used the salt in the past and if you have 304 SS it will eat a hole in the bottom of the cell within about three to four weeks time.

I'm thinking that we made the problem a lot more complex in the past than we should have regarding the salt. We shall soon find out, but I still feel that salt is added until the water is saturated. I never tried it that way before. I will soon be getting my cells out and experimenting with them again. I will share what I can.

[Aaron]

a pinch of salt

My latest contact used the phraseology that the cell must be properly calibrated with salt. He did not clarify what he meant and I have not talked to him since. I will be trying to continue communication. It is likely that I will be limited in what I can post.

On one of the nitrogen hydroxide websites, it said there was a "pinch"
of salt added.

[Slovenia]

Pinch of Salt

On one of the nitrogen hydroxide websites, it said there was a "pinch"
of salt added.

Hi Aaron,

Yes, you are right about that, a pinch of rock salt. That's the early information I gathered from Oz. Maybe it was good intel and maybe not. Our cells were all very unsuccessful. I don't know of anyone in any of our groups who was successful.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[Slovenia]

Update

The new information was a dead end. I heard back from the contact and the cell only improves fuel economy 15% to 35%. So, it is no better than any other booster cell. This may or may not be information associated with the Oz Nitro Cell. I have no way of verifying that. Anyway, I'm inclined to drop this thread and move on.

[Aaron]

other details?

Maybe they were ionizing air and had plasma ignition and conveniently
left that out?

[Slovenia]

Left Out

Maybe they were ionizing air and had plasma ignition and conveniently
left that out?

Hi Aaron,

Thanks!!! You may be right about that.

I have always felt that the cell did in fact work if you knew what the secrets were. This cell will produce a lot of hydrogen and that could be ionized somehow. I did a lot of experimentation with the cell and tried many things. I got away from the salt because it was causing rust problems with the lower grade 304 stainless nuts and washers. I went to KOH and added a neutral tube between my anode and cathode and was producing gas like crazy. The magnetic wire coiled around my cell did no good, so I removed it and it seemed to help quite a bit.

When Tunaka & Co. release their product for purchase, we will be able to try it in conjunction with the booster cells and see what happens.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[adam_mizer]

I have nothing to add but I can see and feel your cell frustration Slovenia or maybe its just me, but totally agree with Aaron that a ionized type application is needed and must be missing from those conversations and emails. I see no way around it and steps must be taken in the ionization field.

[Slovenia]

Frustration

I have nothing to add but I can see and feel your cell frustration Slovenia or maybe its just me, but totally agree with Aaron that a ionized type application is needed and must be missing from those conversations and emails. I see no way around it and steps must be taken in the ionization field.

Yes, you are right about the frustration factor. I got so I never wanted to fool with the cell again. We had many guys trying all sorts of things but we didn't try the ionization and never even thought about trying it. At least I didn't and never heard of anyone else contemplating it in our groups. We were trying to do it the way we had been told to do it and we assumed that all the facts had been given to us. Now looking back, we were missing some very important facts and were to close to the forest to see the trees. We were arguing amongst ourselves also and so there were some distractions that didn't help.

[Murlin]

The OZ cell

This is the exact same cell I told the story about in the Nitrogen Hydroxide thread.....
My instincts tell me it does indeed work...and yes many people have lost their lives over the suppression of this cell...



regards,

Murlin

PS....It is also my gut feeling that resonance is the key....you do not need much voltage or amps...

[Slovenia]

Hightly Suppressed Cell

This is the exact same cell I told the story about in the Nitrogen Hydroxide thread.....
My instincts tell me it does indeed work...and yes many people have lost their lives over the suppression of this cell...

regards,

Murlin

PS....It is also my gut feeling that resonance is the key....you do not need much voltage or amps...

Hi Murlin,

I too believe in the cell and that's why I worked with it for at least three plus years. We were in contact with guys who said they had built and sold the cells and also with other guys who knew a lot about the cells and were probably many of them MIB. I asked a lot of questions and they all had friends too who they asked my questions to. I then took all my responses and compared notes with them and tried to connect the dots. I tried to ascertain who was trying to intentionally mislead and who was trying to give us viable hints. It was a lot of work and trouble to go to and in the end we got misinformation from everyone including the guys who said they had built and sold the cells. All the contacts were very knowledgeable and very careful with their responses. It was actually a very interesting investigation. I got to know a lot of guys mostly all over Australia and New Zealand. Most of this cell's activity was Down Under for some reason.

Anyway, to summarize this up, everyone agreed on the vacuum aspect and the 12 volt input voltage from the battery. There were quite a number of guys who tried to get us off track with the water. They said you had to have special water and that caused us a lot of trouble trying to run down the right water and treat it properly and run experiments with each type of water. In the end, we decided that water in the country that had not been polluted was probably the best to use and that information came from five or so of my better contacts. We did have a professional analyze the photos of the red car that had the device on it. The photos were blown up and really checked out as well as possible. In the end, the view of certain things was obstructed and so we were unable to ascertain anything super special. Since we were unable to make the cell work the way we had been initially told, we started deviating from the original design and trying other techniques. I added a neutral tube between my anode and cathode and got a lot of gas with KOH as my electrolyte. The cell ran very clean with KOH as the electrolyte, but I had a strong feeling from somewhere that KOH was not to be used in this cell. When we used the pinch of salt in the cell, we got a lot of brown and green gunk. I had to constantly clean my cell out. The production of gas was also pretty poor with the brook water and pinch of salt mix.

I have all sorts of combinations of plate configurations just sitting idle in my garage. If you know someone who knows the secrets of this cell and would be willing to share them, please pm me and lets talk. Thanks very much.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[Murlin]

Hi Slovenia,

Unfortunately I am in the same boat as you and stopped testing the cell because of all the gunk. It is dangerous to one's health because it is concentrated chromium from the SS.

There are those who say that all the sediment does not hurt anything and leave it in there. The cell will start to hold a charge like a battery after a while.... I dunno...I failed to get it figured out with all the disinformation out there also.

If I remember my stories correctly, there were Brits that took the cell back to England and someone tried to get a patent on it. But the British government put a gag order on it and told the applicant that it would ruin the economy and they "could not have everyone driving there cars around for free"...

regards,

Murlin