CloudSeeder's Gravity Wheel on Fire

[CloudSeeder]

It's Like My First Wheel!

@Stealth: That wheel is like my very first wheels when I came here in March 2009. He used the outer rim for the balls to roll on and reset, return back a ways. That's where you gain.

[CloudSeeder]

That's where you gain.

@Stealth: That wheel is like my very first wheels when I came here in March 2009. He used the outer rim for the balls to roll on and reset, return back a ways. That's where you gain.

Each roll of the ball gains 1/12 of the total wheel circumference. But there's only 11 balls so you're one 1/12 short. Perhaps the balls falling further away from the center is supposed to be enough Passive Gravity tug to equal and surpass the missing 1/12 distance.

This wheel should definitely work. I don't know how FAST it will work but it should do Work.

[CloudSeeder]

Design Change for Stealth's Wheel:

Each roll of the ball gains 1/12 of the total wheel circumference. But there's only 11 balls so you're one 1/12 short. Perhaps the balls falling further away from the center is supposed to be enough Passive Gravity tug to equal and surpass the missing 1/12 distance.

This wheel should definitely work. I don't know how FAST it will work but it should do Work.

@Stealth: Stealth! The end of the sections in closer to the axle, instead of being pointed and making the balls stick as you stated earlier, here's what you could do that might help your wheel.

#1 widen the pointy end into a box. This would allow the balls to come IN CLOSER TO THE AXLE plus give you a longer roll.

Then #2 consider curving down at the end so the rolling ball drops a bit and impacts in a downward drop in the direction of the spin.

You're the man, man!

[CloudSeeder]

Delete the Empty Section on Stealth Wheel

@Stealth: I think you could make the boxes larger and just have 11 sections. He probably made 12 because his tools was easier to draw them. I don't see a need. Take it home!

Congratulations man. Men! Men of the Wheel!

[CloudSeeder]

the ball dropping into a notch at the end of the runway.

If a heavy enough ball is rolling it will want to keep rollingyou just need that little bit of umpf to get it over the hump so to speak.
I was looking into building about a four foot one but cost became a limiting factor...4" steel bearings are a bit pricey.

@Redeagle: I think Stealth has it nailed. That little "umpf" can be obtained by the ball dropping into a notch at the end of the runway. If you're working on the same design you have it nailed also. I think I'll have the Scorpion Wheel spinning soon. My shoulder has straightened out today. A statin cholesterol drug I took caused some muscle to suddenly vanish.

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Stealth pulling ahead of CloudSeeder!

@Stealth: I've been working with the Scorpion all morning and something is less than right. Yours is starting to look like a better runner. I'm going to try blending my Scorpion with an idea borrowed from the Pelican design.

[CloudSeeder]

Scorpion + Pelican = Hammer Cam

It's starting to look like I need to make changes to Scorpion after working with it today. But the changes I need to make is to add some of the Pelican's tricks except the scorpion plus pelican is a hammer cam. I've gone full circle. The hammer cam has to be the right one.

If I had different materials (lightweight) I feel the scorpion would work fine, and the pelican too. But the one I have the most chance with seems to be the hammer. It does Push-Pull at the same time. The oak wood is right light but the metal bolts not so much. I might should be using plastic bolts. They aren't cheap.

The "harness" I made for the scorpion head (weight) was too far out from the axle and worked fine but being out from the axle added an additional leverage that worked against it (negative leverage).

Think I'll whip out the pencil & paper again and draw some possible corrections for that. Then move on back to the hammer. I made the first hammer some months ago it was too big (too much metal), the 2nd one was too compact and small, so the next one will be a 3-armer and a bit larger. Yep, three half-hammers. Offset over 120 degrees so the rear end will be catching up and passing the starter arm... to carry the starter arm into its swing. Yeah.

Sometimes a gravity wheel doesn't work because the stroke length is too long [holding the device back by being too slow, i.e. too much time elapses to impact].

[CloudSeeder]

Aiming Scorpion for 9.18.20.10 (9/18/2010) aid the next falling weight to Fall Faster

re: new date!

9.18.20.10 (9/18/2010)

the inner numbers are double the outer numbers

@All: Built the Scorpion last week and it looked impressive but, like everybody else's it experienced the same decaying speed. After a few days kicking the scorpion around I realized it is missing one final key ingredient that really surprised me. I've set a new date to have it spinning continuously and I have set it with great confidence.

The weights that fall have to be reciprocating a pull somewhere in the system. I've often stated that "Push-Pull is a force of our universe" but for a Gravity Wheel to win it has to be Push-Pull-Pull, an additional Pull somewhere or it is simply head-butting that has to wind & spiral down. Somewhere it has to get ahead.

The weight that falls has to exert a reach backwards maneuver to aid the next falling weight to Fall Faster. I believe Stealth's wheel does that. The Scorpion did not and thereby left a dead space gap. Stealth's wheel has few gaps and should work. So will Scorpion soon as I get the missing piece hooked up.

Aiming for 9.18.20.10
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[CloudSeeder]

Reach Backward to pull next action ahead faster easier said than done

... missing one final key ingredient ....
... weights that fall have to be reciprocating a pull somewhere in the system.

Somewhere it has to get ahead. The weight that falls has to exert a reach backwards maneuver to aid the next falling weight to Fall Faster.
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Easier said than done in an apartment "workshop". Obviously Stealth has a winner. My "wheel" consists of two opposed-to-the-axle arms. A gravity wheel would need to be extremely strong to carry over 180 degrees of spin per arm so now we bury the idea and switch to the 3 arm wheel designs.
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Report on Progress 9/15/2010

@All: The problem as I see it is to A make each side an equal weight without a rod & weight added, a balanced frame first, including the guide pieces bolted to the sides of the single-center oak wood piece.

BThen add the rod & weight, knowing the unit is balanced, making the side with the weight slightly balanced to favor the weight end. And maybe not. Maybe favor the other end...

C Once that's done to slide three onto the shared axle, at an offset.

Working on that today after buying more wood pieces, also some pre-drilled metal strapping & a 1/2 Wide flat metal in case the strapping turns out not to be stiff-sided enough (being used for the metal side-guides).

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Stealth's Wheel: the Rolling Ball design by Mr. Leopold, of Leopold optics fame.

@Stealth!:

Rolling Ball Design by Mr. Leopold, of Leopold optics fame.

Man, that extra section in your wheel posted at => #545 is GENIUS! Mr. Leopold has pulled some Bible references on us all, inside his design! Forget for a second that the divider is there okay? He made the 11th section a double portion!

#1, the Double Portion Trick + #2, the Kick Judas Out Trick explained:

I told ya man you gotta watch these gravity wheel designers. His ideas are straight out of the Bible! It has to do with Elijah => when he "passed" his prophet powers to Elisha he asked Elisha what he would request. Elisha was a smart guy and asked for a double portion!

Twelve sections stood for the 12 sons of Jacob (Israel) or the 12 Apostles, or both. So the missing ball probably represented Judas who sold Jesus down the river. So it's like the last ball got a double portion but the genius in it is he left the divider in place. It' like Ball #11 owned an acre he lived on and another acre he leaves vacant.

The Time Gain Trick explained:

That empty section isn't really empty. It belongs to Ball #11 he just doesn't use it all. Instead, the ball starts rolling back toward the axle early, just like all the other normal balls. It's a time gain trick. Leave the darn section as is. Ball #11 is turning in toward the axle sooner than he has too. That's your time gain man!
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[CloudSeeder]

Gravity Wheel Timing Mechanism => Empty Space a Break+Reset?

@Stealth!:

Rolling Ball Design by Mr. Leopold, of Leopold optics fame.

Man, that extra section in your wheel posted at => #545 is GENIUS! Mr. Leopold has pulled some Bible references on us all, inside his design! Forget for a second that the divider is there okay? He made the 11th section a double portion!

#1, the Double Portion Trick + #2, the Kick Judas Out Trick explained:

I told ya man you gotta watch these gravity wheel designers. His ideas are straight out of the Bible! It has to do with Elijah => when he "passed" his prophet powers to Elisha he asked Elisha what he would request. Elisha was a smart guy and asked for a double portion!

Twelve sections stood for the 12 sons of Jacob (Israel) or the 12 Apostles, or both. So the missing ball probably represented Judas who sold Jesus down the river. So it's like the last ball got a double portion but the genius in it is he left the divider in place. It' like Ball #11 owned an acre he lived on and another acre he leaves vacant.

The Time Gain Trick explained:

That empty section isn't really empty. It belongs to Ball #11 he just doesn't use it all. Instead, the ball starts rolling back toward the axle early, just like all the other normal balls. It's a time gain trick. Leave the darn section as is. Ball #11 is turning in toward the axle sooner than he has too. That's your time gain man!
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Empty Section Purposes:

Per-Revolution Reset & Re-Synchronization!

+ it Defeats the Entropy of System

Having the empty section may possibly serve a complex and very important, per-revolution reset => a re-synchronization of ball motion for the entire device on-the-fly [as it spins non-stop]. That's what usually stops all our wheels anyway eh? Runs good, then loses timing, then stops from out-of-time ball strikes and the resulting anti-spin vibrations.

The break in the pattern provides a regular negative punch the Leopold gravity wheel needs. It allows the balls to always be advanced ahead of wheel spin. I saw a video once of a spinning drum that had magnets. The magnets grew gradually farther apart from its opposite magnet. Then suddenly the next pair is close together!

Instead of a "decaying orbit" it uses a decaying acceleration.

The break in distance is Anti-Entropy!

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[CloudSeeder]

Stealth => Here's a Place to Buy Metal Ball Bearings, Great Prices under $20.00:

@Stealth: Check out the low prices on metal ball bearings this link. Great prices under $20.00 a set too! Chrome Steel.

Golf Balls! Have you ever thought of trying Golf Balls? They would have some good bounce when hitting the end...
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[CloudSeeder]

5/8" Steel Bearings are at True Value Hardware $1.80 apiece!

@Stealth: Check out the low prices on metal ball bearings this link. Great prices under $20.00 a set too! Chrome Steel.

Golf Balls! Have you ever thought of trying Golf Balls? They would have some good bounce when hitting the end...
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@Stealth: I found a decent size & weight steel bearings at True Value Hardware!!! Low prices there too => $1.80 per chrome steelie! I picked up 11 of em for $20.79 after tax.

I'm not equipped here to make the wheel you're working on. It's above my pay grade so you and Redeagle can work on the Leopold gravity wheel all you want, at your own pace.

I have an idea how to make a wheel a good bit different from Leopold's even if I do like his wheel. I'm going to make perhaps three parallelogram shapes.

Thanks again for showing me the wheel. Later! Have a good weekend you guys! Woody
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9/18/2010 Hammer Cam Triple Arm => Bandit on the Run!

@All: The triple arm Hammer Cam outgrew the previous board a new board and uprights -seen in the following pictures- had to be built. I can now place as many as 5 or 6 arms with several off the outsides of the uprights. I clipped some eye bolts so I can switch out one build to another really fast.

The weight of this build is a little heavy, with all the metal, but we have to keep in mind that the closer you keep the weight to the axle the less impact it has! I have to do much tweaking with the weights now, "fine-tuning" til it spins. It looks real good even now.

Here we go, best I could manage for today =>

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