BiTT OverUnity Transformer Bi-Toroid Thane H. Bill A.

[Bob Smith]

Hey Bob glad to hear from you. It's a good read. maybe another couple of sets of secondaries would up the output.

Thanks

Mikey

Ya never know, bro!
Take care.

[BroMikey]

Self Assisted Oscillation

Self Assisted Oscillation in a Shorted Coil


This is of great significance !!!!!

"On rare occasions, Sweet saw this effect, called self-oscillation, occur in electric transformers"

and

"Sweet was also a transformer designer and expert, and he remarked that he had also observed specialized self-oscillation in certain transformers. "



I show the importance of knowing and understanding the A Vector Potential and how simple it is to create a self assisted oscillation. This set of shorted Self Assisted Oscillating Coils. This can be improved hugely and is possible to be made to self run with this technology. Nikola Tesla, Floyd Sweet, Lester Hendershot, Edd Leedskalnin and Daniel McFarland Cook all knew about this technology. They all used it in various ways to improve their devices....




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsVSMQqCOM

[Web000x]

What waveform? What degrees did you get after that, you never answered that question. If you in fact do have a SFT, it would be 90 degrees out of phase to start with.

I'm not sure you ever posed that question, Mike. My phase angle in the SFT is a little less than 90 degrees, say 85, when no load is on the secondaries or the secondaries are shorted completely. Otherwise, once I start adding a load to dissipate meaningful power, the phase angle starts to shift and becomes less and less.

I have not heard from you much, in fact when you do post it is to say it doesn't work but never an explanation. Or the only time you post is to say what someone else is doing could be off, but when you are asked a question there is no reply.

I think you had asked me a question about a zero crossing circuit which I have never built so I am sorry for my lack of response. Also, you asked me about a video that Mr. Clean put out and I didn't have anything positive to say about it so I remained silent. You posted one video of him showing self oscillations but he could never duplicate it again. It was an interesting video, but I can't take it to 100 percent seriously since he still had a signal oscillating the system.

I think you said something like you ran all of the frequencies and you are at 75-80 percent like a conventional transformer but that is impossible with say a 75 degree phase angle.

Oh, it is possible. If your reactive power flow is very high, which it is with the SFT, you can have significant power dissipation even at higher cosine angles. Check this out: cos75 = .26 , if I have 15 VRMS at 1 amp, that is 15*1*.26 = 3.9 Watts. Usually in that situation, my secondaries are only dissipating 3 Watts, very possible.

In other words you have no data to back up that yours does not work, just" I can't get it" and my question is "Can't get what"?

We have nothing to go on.

I didn't feel the need to clutter up any threads with underunity. There is a lot of that already.

When all of this was gone over about phase angles and power factor you said that a 90 degree angle would be better than an 18 degree angle yet you say that there is no improvement.

That does not make any sense, I am sorry.

You need to eat, breath, and sleep electrical theory in order to understand the significance of the numbers. The difference in the phase angles is all about the amount of reactive power versus real power. You can come about 1 watt of power in different ways. 1 volt times 1 amp at a zero degree phase angle will give you 1 watt; 10 volts times 10 amps at a phase angle of 84.3 will give you 1 watt of power dissipation. So the significance between 18 degrees and 85 degrees would be: How much voltage and current are existing in the circuit?

So are you saying that you are loading your BiTT/SFT down so hard it is running an 18 degree angle?

We are shooting in the dark with your data.

I don't think it ever has gotten down to 18 degrees. It is a highly reactive transformer, but it always seems to have a way of knowing when I am siphoning power from it on a load since the phase angle on the primary becomes lesser.

People speculate and that is fine, but you claim to be running a SFT so what do the figures look like? What is your phase angle?

I already know what your phase angle is not. You said multiple times that it is not over 100.

I think you are referring to efficiency being over 100%, not phase angle. I can't tell you what the phase angle is because it varies with my load. I'll try to get you some examples of my underunity after the holiday.

You ran a few tests hey? and gave up huh?

Ran a few tests and gave up? Mike, how do you know that? Have you been around while I was running experiments in my lab? You have no idea what I have been doing. I don't ramble too much on the internet because it takes away from my hands on time. I work silently.

First of all, I have been investigating the properties of magnetic circuits since I was in weekly contact with Eric Dollard in 2011. I built many devices and investigated them much like I am doing with the SFT. I've watched every device do the same thing, never overunity. This tells me that there is something missing from my setup or everybody else is lying. I don't think the latter to be true. So instead of continuing to run tests on the thing that doesn't work, I sit back, read and try to let intuition do its thing, no sense in brute forcing it.

I did have a moment of inspiration this last week. I found the Jim Murray/Paul Babcock presentation followup video and I listened to the exchange between Dog-One, Jim and Paul where the idea of the air gap came to light. I decided to cut a gap in my primary cores. The cores are so brittle that I ended up cracking them entirely in half shortly after. This gave me a completely adjustable air gap in both primary cores. I did find that there is a gap range where you can increase the gap and the secondary wattage remains the same with an accompanied increase in phase angle on the primary.

And by the way Mike, the original intent of my previous post was to simply say that I believe that regardless of solid state amp or mains power supply that your voltage and current relations would tell you where the power is flowing in the circuit. Never did that post say anything about 'it not working' like your previous statement suggests. You have a way of putting words in my mouth that I don't like.

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[BroMikey]

Great Going Web000x

I surely don't want to do that so I hope you do well with your gaps. great to see you finally fired up Now that's the spirit

I am still trying to figure it out as well. I will keep posting information on shorting coils to see what looks good.

Yeah you must have something missing. My SFT is 90 degrees out of phase so why yours is not, I can't figure it out either. Or is that not what you meant? Am I fishing for data again?

Oh well I will mind my own business for awhile and ring your bell another day

Watch out for all that Turkey or you will have to go on a diet come Monday mourning.

Eric Dollard? Everyone has been following Erics experiments for 30 plus years and no one I know shows any of his devices going OU, so personally I think you need to find someone who has something working for the poor boys.

Eric has projects that require 100's of 1000's of dollars to start with and no one to date has seen it work yet and the man is a white haired elderly person. I am sure he is smart but we need something that doesn't cost so much.

Tuleric currents from 100's of miles of cables, Sure why not.

That BiTT of your's should do better than 18 degrees. I say 18 degrees because you are saying your BiTT operates the same as a conventional transformer.

I guess you don't feel anyone has the right to scrutinize your data so you won't put any out there. Who am I anyway to question you.

I hear ya. Just don't quit your day job or your experiments. Keep fighting. So many have given up right when success was at their finger tips.

It's great to hear you say how you are doing alot of work in the field.

Mikey

Originally Posted by BroMikey View Post
What waveform? What degrees did you get after that, you never answered that question. If you in fact do have a SFT, it would be 90 degrees out of phase to start with.

I'm not sure you ever posed that question, Mike. My phase angle in the SFT is a little less than 90 degrees, say 85, when no load is on the secondaries or the secondaries are shorted completely. Otherwise, once I start adding a load to dissipate meaningful power, the phase angle starts to shift and becomes less and less.

I have not heard from you much, in fact when you do post it is to say it doesn't work but never an explanation. Or the only time you post is to say what someone else is doing could be off, but when you are asked a question there is no reply.

I think you had asked me a question about a zero crossing circuit which I have never built so I am sorry for my lack of response. Also, you asked me about a video that Mr. Clean put out and I didn't have anything positive to say about it so I remained silent. You posted one video of him showing self oscillations but he could never duplicate it again. It was an interesting video, but I can't take it to 100 percent seriously since he still had a signal oscillating the system.

I think you said something like you ran all of the frequencies and you are at 75-80 percent like a conventional transformer but that is impossible with say a 75 degree phase angle.

Oh, it is possible. If your reactive power flow is very high, which it is with the SFT, you can have significant power dissipation even at higher cosine angles. Check this out: cos75 = .26 , if I have 15 VRMS at 1 amp, that is 15*1*.26 = 3.9 Watts. Usually in that situation, my secondaries are only dissipating 3 Watts, very possible.

In other words you have no data to back up that yours does not work, just" I can't get it" and my question is "Can't get what"?

We have nothing to go on.

I didn't feel the need to clutter up any threads with underunity. There is a lot of that already.

When all of this was gone over about phase angles and power factor you said that a 90 degree angle would be better than an 18 degree angle yet you say that there is no improvement.

That does not make any sense, I am sorry.

You need to eat, breath, and sleep electrical theory in order to understand the significance of the numbers. The difference in the phase angles is all about the amount of reactive power versus real power. You can come about 1 watt of power in different ways. 1 volt times 1 amp at a zero degree phase angle will give you 1 watt; 10 volts times 10 amps at a phase angle of 84.3 will give you 1 watt of power dissipation. So the significance between 18 degrees and 85 degrees would be: How much voltage and current are existing in the circuit?

So are you saying that you are loading your BiTT/SFT down so hard it is running an 18 degree angle?

We are shooting in the dark with your data.

I don't think it ever has gotten down to 18 degrees. It is a highly reactive transformer, but it always seems to have a way of knowing when I am siphoning power from it on a load since the phase angle on the primary becomes lesser.

People speculate and that is fine, but you claim to be running a SFT so what do the figures look like? What is your phase angle?

I already know what your phase angle is not. You said multiple times that it is not over 100.

I think you are referring to efficiency being over 100%, not phase angle. I can't tell you what the phase angle is because it varies with my load. I'll try to get you some examples of my underunity after the holiday.

You ran a few tests hey? and gave up huh?

Ran a few tests and gave up? Mike, how do you know that? Have you been around while I was running experiments in my lab? You have no idea what I have been doing. I don't ramble too much on the internet because it takes away from my hands on time. I work silently.

First of all, I have been investigating the properties of magnetic circuits since I was in weekly contact with Eric Dollard in 2011. I built many devices and investigated them much like I am doing with the SFT. I've watched every device do the same thing, never overunity. This tells me that there is something missing from my setup or everybody else is lying. I don't think the latter to be true. So instead of continuing to run tests on the thing that doesn't work, I sit back, read and try to let intuition do its thing, no sense in brute forcing it.

I did have a moment of inspiration this last week. I found the Jim Murray/Paul Babcock presentation followup video and I listened to the exchange between Dog-One, Jim and Paul where the idea of the air gap came to light. I decided to cut a gap in my primary cores. The cores are so brittle that I ended up cracking them entirely in half shortly after. This gave me a completely adjustable air gap in both primary cores. I did find that there is a gap range where you can increase the gap and the secondary wattage remains the same with an accompanied increase in phase angle on the primary.

And by the way Mike, the original intent of my previous post was to simply say that I believe that regardless of solid state amp or mains power supply that your voltage and current relations would tell you where the power is flowing in the circuit. Never did that post say anything about 'it not working' like your previous statement suggests. You have a way of putting words in my mouth that I don't like.

[Farmhand]

Hi BroMikey, Since you are claiming over 100% efficiency then all that is left is
for you to film a video demonstration of the over 100% efficiency operation
and the measurement techniques, equipment ect.

Otherwise its just words and numbers. Forgive me if I missed it but I see
absolutely no proof of it or evidence for it.

..

By the way with powers under 1 Watt it is possible to show what appears to be
over 100% efficiency, i've done it too but I knew it was due to low powers and
instrument and equipment variances ect. With a reasonable amount of power
output the efficiency calculations tend to be more accurate. Inaccuracies at
very low powers is a problem.

Anyway can you make a video for us to see it happening ? If not how come
not ?

..

Volts and amps supplied to a reactive load is VA, real power dissipated is Watts
and power not dissipated by the load (not consumed) is VAR.

Generators are rated in VA because if a load is too reactive it restricts the
Watts that the load can dissipate from that generator.

..

[BroMikey]

Dear Farmboy Go ahead and make my day

First of all I want to say I don't mind that you are not agreeing with OU stuff as a whole presented here on the web these days. Also it has been noted many times that most Engineers have a level of arrogance that hinders there abilities to excel in the area of extra energy phenomena.

Free will, go for it.

I had been this way when i was younger so I try to overlook it. But it is hard to take. In terms of proper measurements I will have to agree that this should be done to dispel all doubts.

Asking me to make a video of all of my proofs is like asking a beginner to rewrite the dictionary. I have no proper circuits that I like. I have not decided on an amplifier yet. I do not have the core material finished.

Yet in a few weeks I have managed to show that the principle does work as stated in the Patent. I will continue to progress and I expect you and Dave to continue to shoot all of my results down.

Largely because I don't understand many things about standard engineering practices. That will be good for me. I don't mind you guys correcting me.

Now my question is, "what would you do if I showed you a working OU device"???? One that gives more than it eats up?

You see you are here to see to it that I am discredited and this thrills you the most because you feel it makes you smarter than the next guy.

I feel sorry for you, so i will not post a video for you because I know why you are here. What I will do is post a video for those who desire to go outside the box. The box was build from long years of dedication to a lie that nothing can be achieved beyond the text book.

High priced tuition and high-minded people do not impress me. This is part of the Box. The box keeps you tightly inside where all of your peers side with you because they are just as smart as you are, because of that fine school you went to.

Like I said I feel bad for people who have no ability to get out of this box.

You see all it takes is a desire to go outside of it and you don't have that desire, so no I will not be addressing you or anyone else who will not interact with me on a friendly level. Friends share and talk to one another for all the right reasons and care enough to answer one anothers questions. So you are my enemy in this respect and everyone except you knows why you are here.

You and some others have consistently shown your proverbial backsides with disruptions to follow, showing the intentions of your entries. This is a form of hatred for those who are open to new things.

You can't help it, I know that. I just wanted to be as open and honest about how I have evaluated your exchanges with myself and many other group members. What I am trying to say is that you and your kind will never quench the fires of needing to go outside the BOX.

To the man who has never lived inside of the confining walls of a man made mental prison, the likes of a robotic peer pressure driven yuppy are viewed handicapped.

I will be posting a full working model when I am able. so others with a pure desire to learn can rejoice in the first step that many do not know how to make. Once I help them to make this step and they help me to baby step a little further, we will find the key.

This way know one gets all of the glory or credit. I wouldn't care if I had everyone in the entire world raving about how I was the greatest experimenter who found the key to limitless energy. I would be bored stiff with that. Just words.

What gets me high is going higher in thought where the man who goes outside the box lives. This is a wonderful place of zero boundary. It is where men belong, not believing it can't be done.

I have lived my life doing the impossible so to speak in the eyes of other people.

Now let's talk about my sine wave generator. My amp choices and core material. So far I have managed to build a BiTT/SFT that is a good size set of coils as big as Bill Alek's. This took me a few days.

As a beginner in this work the goal has been to find my head with both hands. But as a beginner I have been making progress finding out the right way to make connections and measurements with practically no help from anyone on any group. This is due to the fact that hardly anyone knows what I am talking about. This is a new field that not many have witnessed or traveled so this makes all of us beginners.

The rebuke I just gave you should help others to shake themselves as well, you are not alone.

Switching gears.

Dog-One is right we need a special Amplifier that can be highly efficient, giving a similitude of an AC signal and not overload when power is being returned to the input. We need to stay focused spending out time in this deep trance like state where the creative power exists.

A battery connected to some form of an AC generating circuit is need to power the primary so the OU condition can be closely monitored.

Since the Bi-Toroid is outside of the box of normal EE philosophy, here will I made my bed and lay down in it.

Mikey PS (Hope you wore your hard hat hard head )

[BroMikey]

Bi-Toroid Looper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzE-p0GJb_Q


Looper circuit BiTT. Runs by itself after starting it

[Dog-One]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzE-p0GJb_Q


Looper circuit BiTT. Runs by itself after starting it

Definitely saving this Mike.

I'm guessing C6 & C7 have to be tuned to the BiTT so will need to be found experimentally.

Looking at the circuit it seems the BiTT is acting as a OU gain inductor, pushing power back to the +12v rail. This was something I wanted to experiment with, but haven't so far.

Time to get out some more alligator clips...

[Matthew Jones]

Although the 555, LM 393, make it nice to tune you could scrap them for sure and just use a trigger winding off the main winding on the coil. Ground it on the positive side and run it to 5k variable resistor and 100 ohm fixed at Q1 base.

Once you know your frequency and you know the inductance on the W1 and W3 you can calculate C6 and C7 for resonant behavior.

Search LC resonant calculator. Its too easy to figure out to have to experiment.

Between the 555 and the 393 you got almost 300ma at 12 volt. No way it self runs with that load just for triggering.

And while your at it scrap R7 and C5. Those are both for transient suppression. Where are you gonna get your extra energy from if you burn the spike off. If your using a battery let the spike hit it. If your using a power supply put a cap in parallel with it. If you use an output winding to run a load put a cap in parallel with it. Keep that power.

If your real lazy you can do all that with a Mini Arduino. Just type the adjustment in. LOL 35 milliamp for a switching load if you keep the Darlington.

You tweak it right and don't burn any power you might be able to run that thing for a day off of a super caps worth of power.

Look up the Joule thief. Good people worked alot of this stuff out for driving inductors along time ago.

Matt

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi bromikey, i really enjoyed reading your post #67, sounds like you have evolved (full circle) quite a bit while in on this planet.
Much love light peace
Carry on with these great works all.

[BroMikey]

Joule Thief FlaskBacks

Hey Dude awesome post.

Right when I can use someone with experience. Yes I have been thinking about all of the more simple triggering using a tiny toroidal style joule thief or these low powered circuits.

I learned that my .3 volts coming out of my old throw away aa batteries could run the LED's for days. Technically it should take more than .3 volts just to open the transistor. I put this in to let you know that I understand by watching John Bedini on his video with the Lead Alum crystal cell and circuit with coils.

John B is one of my heros

I will reconsider R7 and C5 as you are pointing out. I have not gotten that close yet but you are right about collecting the spikes to my battery. John Bedini showed us that.

LC resonant calculator? Okay i will look that up. I see many calculators but I have not explored them all yet.

Yeah man I like the simple circuits best also to start especially.

I don't have the complete circuit posted I was in a hurry but the other copies show a super cap like you are saying. And running for a day never crossed my mind, I figured no more than a few hours.

Wowzee this is very exciting indeed.

Very Kind of you to add these comments

Thanks.

Mikey

Although the 555, LM 393, make it nice to tune you could scrap them for sure and just use a trigger winding off the main winding on the coil. Ground it on the positive side and run it to 5k variable resistor and 100 ohm fixed at Q1 base.

Once you know your frequency and you know the inductance on the W1 and W3 you can calculate C6 and C7 for resonant behavior.

Search LC resonant calculator. Its too easy to figure out to have to experiment.

Between the 555 and the 393 you got almost 300ma at 12 volt. No way it self runs with that load just for triggering.

And while your at it scrap R7 and C5. Those are both for transient suppression. Where are you gonna get your extra energy from if you burn the spike off. If your using a battery let the spike hit it. If your using a power supply put a cap in parallel with it. If you use an output winding to run a load put a cap in parallel with it. Keep that power.

If your real lazy you can do all that with a Mini Arduino. Just type the adjustment in. LOL 35 milliamp for a switching load if you keep the Darlington.

You tweak it right and don't burn any power you might be able to run that thing for a day off of a super caps worth of power.

Look up the Joule thief. Good people worked alot of this stuff out for driving inductors along time ago.

Matt

[Iamnuts]

I watched Thane Hein's video on accelerating generator. I thought it was
a real poor show considering the years that he's been at it.
The whole kludge was messy and meaningful results seemed scarce.
As for showing a bench grinder motor and somehow linking the thing to
a topic concerned with vehicle traction motors seemed absurd. We have
an old industrial grinder and it needs a motor to start it!
I hope he has a "bit" more luck with the transformer.
John.

[BroMikey]

Kindness

Hey Sky

Thanks for you very kind words. Evolution is a beautiful addition to anyone's life

Mikey

Hi folks, Hi bromikey, i really enjoyed reading your post #67, sounds like you have evolved (full circle) quite a bit while in on this planet.
Much love light peace
Carry on with these great works all.

[BroMikey]

Schematic

Here is Kurts full diagram and study materialsDIY Homemade Ignition Coil Driver - RMCybernetics

[BroMikey]

ReGenX

Hello Dear Sir "I-am-nuts"?

Good day to you

The messed up bench comes from lots of work but if you heard what Thane said you would understand that the setup simulates a CAR or an Electric Vehicle or "E.V."

In an electric car the manufacturer will install a standard DC drive motor. What Thanes work started out as was studying how to collect some of the wasted power when the brakes of the car were used.

Thane researched saving energy by a well known process called "REGENERATIVE BRAKING" where battery life is extended.

The transformer is comprised of a twin set of pickup coils just like the ReGenX, they work off the same principle except one has a rotor and the other does not.

Over a period of time Thane found that he could not only employ the Regenerative Braking technology but found that shorting coils could make the motor speed up.

This a simple illustration, not all of the process.

This idea has been around for many years.

Michael

I watched Thane Hein's video on accelerating generator. I thought it was
a real poor show considering the years that he's been at it.
The whole kludge was messy and meaningful results seemed scarce.
As for showing a bench grinder motor and somehow linking the thing to
a topic concerned with vehicle traction motors seemed absurd. We have
an old industrial grinder and it needs a motor to start it!
I hope he has a "bit" more luck with the transformer.
John.