Earth Battery SG

[dragon]

coils...

I see what you did now Jeanna... it's hard to say what or why the voltage is being generated. Being that low it could be picking up ambient energy or even a signal from a local source in the room.

Sitting at the table I can connect my scope to the NS coil and get a 60hz signal from it. It seems to work quite well as an antenna.

Another possibility is that the iron wire is acting like a very long transformer although without a completed magnetic circuit, if the flux in the wire has the opportunity to oscillate it will induce a voltage in the wire ( as with the core ). Maybe by connecting the core to the wire coil around creates a mild flux difference between them because of the electrical activity and causes a tiny oscillation.... might be worth investigating indeed ! Something similar to the "Cook" coil by mistake... all we need is a slight continuous imbalance to excite the electrons in a wire...
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[Aaron]

trifilar

Aaron, to me the John Bedeni circuit drawing has incomplete information. That being the relationship of the two wheels depicted and their relationship one to another as far as a gear ratio. seems to me as drawn you would get only one pulse out of several turns of the larger as the smaller second wheel would be turning many times slower than the larger wheel. Therefor the data that is missing is how many turns of the larger wheel before a pulse or switch in this case is closed.

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You have to gear it for your own particular setup. You want to size
the pulley so the cap is simply at whatever voltage you want it at
before it triggers to a battery.

That schematic is supposed to be one pulse for multiple turns. That is
what allows the cap to build up. Actually, the small wheel turns faster
than the big wheel. The small wheel may turn any number of turns
for 1 turn on the big wheel with the lobe.

The important part of what I'm showing this for is not to duplicate this
machine, it is to simply show the trifilar arrangement - the isolated winding
for recovery, which can be fed back to the front without the front side
battery ever seeing it.

[Joit]

I see what you did now Jeanna... it's hard to say what or why the voltage is being generated. Being that low it could be picking up ambient energy or even a signal from a local source in the room.

Sitting at the table I can connect my scope to the NS coil and get a 60hz signal from it. It seems to work quite well as an antenna.

Another possibility is that the iron wire is acting like a very long transformer although without a completed magnetic circuit, if the flux in the wire has the opportunity to oscillate it will induce a voltage in the wire ( as with the core ). Maybe by connecting the core to the wire coil around creates a mild flux difference between them because of the electrical activity and causes a tiny oscillation.... might be worth investigating indeed ! Something similar to the "Cook" coil by mistake... all we need is a slight continuous imbalance to excite the electrons in a wire...

Hi. Its maybe interresting, when you try the coil far away from any AC,
maybe your Scope did strew it in, and galvanic or voltaic Batterie creates usual DC not AC.
Its maybe an Intention from Companys, to create a lot of EM,
and can blame you therefor allways to take the Power from an other Grid.

But would it be like this, then the Amount of AC should be higher as the DC,
not the other Way, and, after the main doctrin, you only can create DC from a Coil only with Diodes.
Its maybe right, that the Energy comes from the Ambient, but dont need to be the Power grid.

I made one of this Things too, i can get 0,2-0,3V pure Dc out with no AC
with measurements between the Iron and Copper wire.
I dont think it gives therefor mA for now.
My cotton is pretty dry i think thats why i leave it now as it is.

Btw, can someone tell me, where Pin5 + 6 at Fig 4 are connected?
The Leads 10 are open, as i did, but i didnt read out, what to do with this both.
Here is the Patent

There is another File at USP # 329,724 Electric Earth Battery G.F. Dieckmann
what use Spiral Coils and looks quiet interesting, but as N. Stubblefield stated,
it is more Waterbatterie for small Applications, maybe need a huge row of Cells to get more out.

[Iotayodi]

Btw, can someone tell me, where Pin5 + 6 at Fig 4 are connected?
The Leads 10 are open, as i did, but i didnt read out, what to do with this both.

The patent states that pins 5 & 6 are for a voltaic couple with the 2 inner pins or lead open. Copper+ and Iron-. For a self generating electromagnet it states the inner leads should be together. That is a mistake. It should be one outer lead of 5 or 6 going to the opposite polarity of the inner lead. Either by mistake or intention the inner leads are both marked 10 and shouldnt be.

[Joit]

Thanks Iotayodi
Guess, need to play further with it.
I made 3 Coils like in Fig. 4. where the inner Coils are bifilar,
each layer isolated with cotton and some saltwater and some shorter,
with the Idea, holding two different large Magnets beside,
it will create a bit drag at one, when it tries to align to the other.
It maybe makes some push too into the Coils.

[jeanna]

Hi Joit,

I am glad to see you are doing this too.
The more the merrier as they say.

I assume the square bolt is soft iron?
It is important for this to demagnetize quickly as I assume you know.

My feeling has been that if the coil within its cycle of self induction does NOT go through a cycle of electroplating, then this will never last long enough to be worth the effort.

Since it is a joule thief in concept and the first one, I think, it is an important part of human progress, so not wasted, even if it does not work well.

One time I put a "crystal" at the open 10 wires. I only had a dmm at the time.
It might allow the collapse to cause electroplating and keep the coil alive for a long time.
I also arranged a tiny spark gap for it with the same thing in mind.
That coil did seem to fare pretty well, but there were many unique details about it, so I cannot say.

I will be trying this on my new coil when it is finished.
In the tests with the paired stubblefield coils in the earth last summer, I saw a consistent 22-24hz right up through the harmonics to 2.2-2.4Mhz and probably higher. (that was the limit of my scope.)
Maybe if I can find a "crystal" in that range it will work.

I finally received the soft iron and will be making #14 soon! I sure hope it does better than the previous 13...

[Joit]

Hi,
This square bolt is only for to hold it better.
About soft Iron, seems anything is soft Iron so far it is unalloyed.
But i think anyway, maybe for the body are sheets from a Transformer better,
N. Stubblefield maybe did not have them at the hand at his time.
I didnt mean, it is a waste of Time, actually i look since a while now at the galvanic Elements, to see, what i can get out from there,
just i think, you cant get really much Power from it,
but its all time interresting for small applications, where you allways need a bit current for it.
Anyhow i even think, you can charge this batteries again up, when you collect the Fluid, what deplete, but did not try that now.

Interesting things you do, maybe you can adjust the Coil a bit better with an adjustable Cap parallel, and try to match the Coil to the other.
But for 22khz its maybe a very small one, maybe 220nf or lower?
The cap is for, because its another Storage, what push Energy forth and back like a coil does.
I think i will anyway redo my Coil with an other Core and maybe different Wires.

[jeanna]

This may belong in the joule thief thread, but since it is following from the earth battery idea, I post it here.

my firestarter copper response to lasersaber and lidmotor.

jeanna

[Lidmotor]

Batteries that go in the dirt

This may belong in the joule thief thread, but since it is following from the earth battery idea, I post it here.

my firestarter copper response to lasersaber and lidmotor.

jeanna

That is a good one! I built one today using a stick type "firestarter" and it worked. I did one modifcation later. Instead of using copper wire wrapped around, I wrapped the "stick" in a thin foam sponge and put that inside a 2" piece of copper pipe. That worked even better. I just stuck the end into a shallow dish to absorb the water. Placed into the ground it should work also if it gets enough moisture.

I am having great success with the Laser's "Barber Pole" battery. I put that into a small plant today and ran a Slayer Exciter off it. Here is a video of that:

YouTube - Barber Pole battery running an Exciter.ASF

Lidmotor

[slayer007]

That is a good one! I built one today using a stick type "firestarter" and it worked. I did one modifcation later. Instead of using copper wire wrapped around, I wrapped the "stick" in a thin foam sponge and put that inside a 2" piece of copper pipe. That worked even better. I just stuck the end into a shallow dish to absorb the water. Placed into the ground it should work also if it gets enough moisture.

I am having great success with the Laser's "Barber Pole" battery. I put that into a small plant today and ran a Slayer Exciter off it. Here is a video of that:

YouTube - Barber Pole battery running an Exciter.ASF

Lidmotor

Great video Lidmotor.

I made a couple of them batteries a couple weeks ago.
I didn't have a carbon rod so I used a insulated copper pipe with the magnesium ribbon.

The voltage when it was dry was around 1.3v but under 10mA.
Wet the voltage was around 1.6v and around 50mA.

I made a Stublefield coil but really I was getting better performance with these batteries.

[Lidmotor]

Better batteries

@ Slayer
I agree. These batteries are giving me much better results than the Stubblefield design. If Nathan Stubblefield had been able to use carbon rods and Magnesium, then he might have built these types also.
I was sure glad to see your Exciter light up off one. If I put a bunch of these batteries together like Laser did, then I could probably run FLs using your latest modication to the circuit.

Lidmotor

[sucahyo]

If we peel zinc carbon battery outer layer, don't we get zinc? We just need to submerge it to earth along with carbon or copper or something.

[mk1]

If we peel zinc carbon battery outer layer, don't we get zinc? We just need to submerge it to earth along with carbon or copper or something.

Yes the container is zinc and you also get a small carbon rod .

But i would use the rod and find empty bullet shell ...

Mark

[redrichie]

Could we use carbon fiber tube with a magnesium rod pushed inside and get the same results? Not sure, just asking.

[redrichie]

Also. This is considered a galvanic battery right? Any idea how long one of these will last (ballpark)? These guys are really neat, but they are just large "AA" batteries, right? The graphite/carbon rod is not terrible but it is also not the cheapest stuff in the world. Does putting a heavy load on a galvanic battery cause the reaction to speed up, thus "eating" the Magnesium ribbon away quicker?
Thanks