Capacitor Discharge charger, without coil

[Vortex]

for what it is worth.

I recall posting a link to videos (some where at this forum) showing more energy out than in using caps.
There were like 5 to 6 videos total explaining it.
I think I only posted one link, or made reference to go the youtube account to
see them there.

He used the rotations of a SSG, from a stand still, to evaluated the output
from the caps.

If two caps were charged together and then discharge separately he
showed a big gain in output.
Yes, discharged together still follows the rule/law/equation (whatever) of
50% less energy output, but discharged separately there is a gain.

[Xenomorph]

That would be captainpeacan`s efforts to research the young effect. He has a thread on this forum too.
I think sucahyo is after a different effect, however it solidifies the indicators for capacitors having potential to capture energy

[Vortex]

That would be captainpeacan`s efforts to research the young effect. He has a thread on this forum too.
I think sucahyo is after a different effect, however it solidifies the indicators for capacitors having potential to capture energy

Xenomorph for narrowing that down for me and others.

I hate to leave people hanging without a link or a clue.
There's so much information to cover, I wasn't up to finding a link this time

I figured sucahyo was after something else but I thought what captainpeacan
had done was worth a "X-Ref mentioning" here ...

Randy

[Xenomorph]

@Vortex: I agree, cross-reference learning can assist the learning curve.
Then let me throw in another thread-link that goes deeper into capacitor
charging phenomena : http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4419.0

Maybe it opens new ideas for individual experiments/research.

[sucahyo]

Thank you for the references .

The purposes for me to use capacitor is to bomb the battery with voltage that is higher than the source has. I found out that for battery charging, collecting voltage from battery directly is not as good as collecting voltage from coil induction spike.

The link on Xenomorph link is interesting:
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy experiment

Maybe we can get bigger saving by adding more load?

[sucahyo]

collecting HV secondary

I try another circuit today. Actually trying to get one wire charging like Bodkins do but failed. I end up collecting the secondary HV part to the capacitor and dump it to battery.

It make spark in the relay, the battery charge rather fast. I will see how the battery charge end up tomorrow.

[boguslaw]

Each has it's own draw back I guess. Relay contact sparking is hard to avoid and relay won't reach high frequency. My attempt is to replicate what Moray said about capacitor can have more energy when charge-discharge at very high frequency. I can't build a high frequency switching at the moment, this is why I use transistor.

Moray did his device with transistor. I think we should be able to find a way to make OU device with transistor.

If we can make spark free and high frequency mechanical switch, maybe we can have much much better efficiency. Still waiting for the news from Inquorate which currently trying to build it. Maybe with rotary switch inside oil bath.


Attached is my plan to make a more efficient charger using a coil. It failed. But it would allow the charging part to have higher voltage than source. The only difference from charge battery with cap circuit is I switching the cap charging. Who knows it can make the battery charge better.

I am thinking of charging the battery using capacitor voltage only, so the charging must be done when there is kickback voltage. This must be done at high frequency since the kickback is short lived and normal electricity will flow to the battery after that.

Moray used TUBES.Where did you got that he had used transistors ? Tubes have many many interesting features, they were made as replacement for spark gap and much more. Much importat here is that they do not DAMP HV spikes and are not DAMAGED by HV spikes, they flawlessy flow both low voltage large current and HV spikes the same path.

Tesla used capacitors, Moray may stated something about discharge but this effect is not only dependent on capacitance but also on inductance of wires. Choking effect on electrons on wire surface caused by disruptive discharge.

My theory is that electron is quantum wave (ok, that's not mine theory but I developed that further for electronic circuits) - they flow like a wave where they could. Wire is a bad conductor and cause many reflections of electron wave - electrons pop up inside wire at anti-nodes of interferention wave. That is the explanation of slow electron condution inside wire. On surface they could flow without reflection.

As you see theory is at initial stage but looks very easy and I hope will explain many effects.

Electrostatic is very high frequency oscillation (above Ghz) .It is usable energy we don't know how to step it down. That was the purpose of my capacitor experiment proposition (I have no way to check it by myself).

[boguslaw]

If transistor is HOT then you will know that it DISSIPATES energy, HV spikes are consumed here into heat.

Transistors are crude regulated resistors...

[sucahyo]

Moray used TUBES.Where did you got that he had used transistors ?

His white stone:

In his notebook, dated November 1, 1913, Henry included a memo that he had obtained material from a railroad car at Abisco, Sweden the previous summer, and material from the side of a hill. He made electric tests of these materials, taking them home to try each as a detector for his energy machine. Tests indicated that this soft, white stone-like substance might make a good "valve-like detector"*.

[ * This "valve-like detector" is what led Henry to do research in semi-conductive materials, and from this soft white stone he developed his first Moray valve and the Moray valve that was used in some of the early Radiant Energy devices]

[p. 22] "Silver wire used on stone makes a rectifier."

I agree that tube is more powerfull, evgray himself have to ask mallory to provide him with tubes since the transistor keep failing because of the spike.

About electrostatic, do you mean we generate Ghz electrostatic while using Khz generator?


About hot transistor, Dr Robert Adams in New Zealand harvesting the energy dissipated from MOSFET too for his OU electric heater. But I don't think I can go that advance.


My test result:
- Battery charged with direct HV secondary reduce it voltage overnight.
- Battery charged with capacitor collecting HV secondary increase it voltage overnight.

The second result is not normal so I will redo it for confirmation.

[Xenomorph]

Doc Stiffler is using extremely high frequencies in the UHF/VHF range to "excite" capacitors. But it doesnt seem like the absolute only way to go, as there is successes also with low frequencies like 20 Hz too. Again its all worth a try. Unfortunately it is expensive gear needed to create/analyse UHFs and depending on where you live, it is restricted.

[sucahyo]

Doc Stiffler is using extremely high frequencies in the UHF/VHF range to "excite" capacitors. But it doesnt seem like the absolute only way to go, as there is successes also with low frequencies like 20 Hz too. Again its all worth a try. Unfortunately it is expensive gear needed to create/analyse UHFs and depending on where you live, it is restricted.

The tranformer and transistor I currently use would be toasted at that frequency lol. I wonder if collecting induction spike at that frequency is possible.

It is weird that there is a relation between transformer making sound and the amount of voltage collected by capacitor or going to battery. Whenever my transformer, either the small 1 Amp one or promaster car coil one, making screeching noise or whistle the voltage in the capacitor is highest. And both of them would get very hot too.


For battery charging. I currently using charging battery - capacitor "flip flop". My first 555 decide to burn up after a while, so I have to use only one. It should have been two but I attached the circuit I currently use. PC817 is optocoupler. When the transformer is whistling the charge in the cap can reach 40Volt. Between the diode and opto/capacitor I insert a bifilar flat spiral, don't know if it would be any use though. Just think of it as induction and resistor like mentioned in Dr. Ringwood page
Doc Ringwood's 'Free Energy' page

I just reading Bedini page in peswiki, and it seems charging battery should use no current for best battery life. I guess charging the battery by capacitor is better than charging it directly.
John Bedini and Peter Lindemann's Medium and Large Motor-Energizer Project

[boguslaw]

The tranformer and transistor I currently use would be toasted at that frequency lol. I wonder if collecting induction spike at that frequency is possible.

It is weird that there is a relation between transformer making sound and the amount of voltage collected by capacitor or going to battery. Whenever my transformer, either the small 1 Amp one or promaster car coil one, making screeching noise or whistle the voltage in the capacitor is highest.

Good point !

[Xenomorph]

@sucahyo :

I guess charging the battery by capacitor is better than charging it directly.

It seems that the capacitor only is able to actually "create" a proper charge out of the radiant spike, that when fed to the battery will yield in a welll functioning battery. Attempts to put the spike directly on the battery have in some cases (not in all !) just showed a ghost charge, with the battery quickly dropping in voltage when under successive load.
When i looked at bedinis circuit i always thought the guy must have a good reason why he is putting the cap inbetween the rectifier and the charging battery.
Funny coincidence, i also went over to using flip flop for cap discharging in circuits that only use 1.5V since the lowest operating voltage 555 that i have found is only at around 2.5 V.

[sucahyo]

@Xenomorph, the uncertainty make it hard to conclude anything too. Putting cap directly reduce battery charge sometime.

I guess I will pursue a way to charge a battery where the voltage will be increased the next day consistently. For now at least the voltage do not drop too much. I have to revise my circuit again though. I can't force my 555 to have the shortest ON time, so I have to use the shortest OFF time to trigger PNP transistor to flow the current as little as possible.

For 1.5 version I guess Joule thief can be used too.


I found something interesting today, my test battery has voltage of 5.85V initially. After an hour charging it became 6.35. When I measure amp it climb from 0.25A to 0.52A and then steady at 0.52A. When I measure voltage again it became 5.95V. I never experience voltage converted to current before. I guess this is what Bedini said that we only need voltage to charge a battery.

[Xenomorph]

I can't force my 555 to have the shortest ON time

You CAN, but it is more complicated, i use a separate 555 to make it easier. You can read about it here:
Design low-duty-cycle timer circuits - 8/22/2002 - EDN

But the pnp thing should work too.

Do you have see an optocoupler superior to a MOSFET to discharge the cap?
Havent tried it with optos, just wanna know.