Tesla experiment, arc IS NOT spark

[Jbignes5]

I suppose only that LIFTER can run using radiant energy but can't be right. However on lifter are present more docs on the web but anything explain better the principle .. However seem that Tesla use aluminum for transmutation and copper because is very reactive electronically. For that my mind suggest another scenario and you can see that in diagram attached.. after have read some docs seem possible that aluminium transmute in presence of radiant energy to high frequency.. in fact aluminum not only transmute (atomic No. 13) and acquire charge but seem to reflect also radiant energy. Tesla use also air (oxygen/nitrogen) and transmute these, both have below atomic number 19. Maybe Tesla and other inventor like Smith have reached an intuition.. transmute aluminum and obtain also energy directly similarry to an battery. Do you think have an sense that theory? Thanks in advance

TEXT FROM PENTAGON ALIENS BOOK:

"Powerful ionizing radiation can be used to charge field plates, or to
produce 'pure electrical energy". The energy produced, is vastly greater than the
electrical energy required to initiate the reaction, because it comes from the ZPR
("starlight"), and need involve no radioactive fuels or wastes.
These processes were explored by Tesla prior to 1900, and by T. Henry Moray, of
Utah14, while in Sweden in 1912. Tesla used aluminum and some Group I elements"

Lets first look at aluminum:

Aluminium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And now copper:

Copper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If one looks at the etched metals picture one can see how the structure of these two metals differ. It is this reason for the magnetic and non magnetic components of each metal manifest.
My personal opinion is that when aluminum is applied as a reflector it is not affected nor tries to soak up the charges flowing twords it. It mirrors the charges because it's internal structure has distinct boundries. Copper on the other hand tends to want to pull the charges into itself because of the structure of it's material. Look at how the copper is oriented all flowing to the inner conduit or center of it's mass via geometric shaped diodes or an organized fractal withing it's structure.

Pay special attention to differences in conductivity as well...

[tutanka]

Lets first look at aluminum:

Aluminium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And now copper:

Copper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If one looks at the etched metals picture one can see how the structure of these two metals differ. It is this reason for the magnetic and non magnetic components of each metal manifest.
My personal opinion is that when aluminum is applied as a reflector it is not affected nor tries to soak up the charges flowing twords it. It mirrors the charges because it's internal structure has distinct boundries. Copper on the other hand tends to want to pull the charges into itself because of the structure of it's material. Look at how the copper is oriented all flowing to the inner conduit or center of it's mass via geometric shaped diodes or an organized fractal withing it's structure.

Pay special attention to differences in conductivity as well...

Aluminum have atomic number 13.. that is important.. reflection is other thing..

[vrand]

The main problem is utilizing the action or re-oragnizing the grid in which we live. You must be able to use the charges before they get to the source, otherwise they balance and go through the system much like ordinary circuits. Hence the reason for shielding and only exposing the high voltage to the environment when you want to attract that charges. After that one must devise a way to use the charges as much as possible before it goes out the system you are using.
It has been my argument that gravity and anti gravity has always been the movement of the charges in our own system (planet) to and away from our source charge in the core of our planet. This on rush of charges actually affect our matter in the downward rush twords that potential in the core.
It is not a wave and it is nothing more then what runs all of the motions in our universe. We have complicated something so simple because thats what we do. We complicate everything we touch with lines and lines of math when the concept is so simple.
Gravity and Magnetism is so simple in design that it has been misunderstood because we refuse to believe that it could be soo simple. There is no explanation that we could come up with for the mechanism behind it in our current models and thats because our current models are flawed and based upon assumptions that are founded in a math computation that has no room for the unseen. You can't quantify something you can not see. Instead of looking at all the information we have in nature we refuse to believe it is so simple but that is what it is. Simplicity is nature.
Lets take the arc and spark question. We can all see that between point a and b there is some kind of mechanism that conducts before the actual movement of charges or arc/spark. Something moves before the charges to line up in the space between point a and b. This is the same mechanism that allows lines of force to come from no where to form a "magnetic field" in a coil of wire. These lines of force are actually a conduit that forms from something that is not conductive for charges but is a conduit to guide the charges to the point b. This works in a reverse logic, meaning it forms from the source on a coil, which is only one side of the coil. That is the exact reason voltage leads current in our current system. Depending on the value of the source, high or low, depends on the amount of time it takes to form the bridge or roadway for the charges to be attracted over that bridge depends on the phase relation of voltage and the ability of the charges to flow into the system.
Normal systems that have wires and components act like an antenna that is exposed to the energy or charges in the environment to attract the charges into the system.
If one looked into the composition and structure of metals one would find something very very interesting and now fundamentally accepted. Metals are Crystalline in structure. Yet another crystal reference. Hmmm... Are we seeing a link here?

Interesting theory, looking forward to your experiments

- How do you shield the wires coming out of the oil covered transformer so as not to pick up the environmental charges?
- What kind of oil will you be using for soaking the transformer?
- What kind of wires do you use? Stranded or solid? Copper or other wire materials?
- What kind of voltage are created in the different stages of your circuit to the air antennas? Frequencies?
- Why use air antennas, vs say earth ground similar to Kapanadze design?

Thank, Mike

[Jbignes5]

Interesting theory, looking forward to your experiments

- How do you shield the wires coming out of the oil covered transformer so as not to pick up the environmental charges?
- What kind of oil will you be using for soaking the transformer?
- What kind of wires do you use? Stranded or solid? Copper or other wire materials?
- What kind of voltage are created in the different stages of your circuit to the air antennas? Frequencies?
- Why use air antennas, vs say earth ground similar to Kapanadze design?

Thank, Mike

Actually that is the whole reason to shield everything from the oil filled transformer to the antennas. This is to make it so that the charges that would normally get pulled in by the corona actually don't get what they want which would be the free charges in the environment. No grounding is needed and what is attracted should be blocked by the dielectric and what doesn't should be passed around the transformer and wires and dissipated from the shielding. The shielding should go all the way into the transformer and into the oil which should be not that hard to do. That way the shielding should contain just about 99 percent of the corona and stop it from feeding into the system until you want it to do such.
The construction of the transformer will be made entirely out of plastic and will adhere to Tesla's design of that special transformer. I think I linked to the article that showed the construction and why aluminum should be used to shield the entire thing. Any kind of oil can be used so I am thinking about a vegetable oil like linseed oil or the likes.
Probably copper wire that are solid core and made for High voltages and good amperage as well after the special transformer.
I haven't worked on the voltages yet but I would assume they would be pretty high, maybe 1k in the first stage and 2-3k in the second stage but that has to be played with to get the right levels. What I am thinking is that the more voltage potential something has the more ability to pull charges twords that hv source.
Well Tesla said that 6k to 10k is the optimum frequencies but I have to check of the type of emissions we know about at what frequencies. I am pretty sure
6-10k is safe for general use.
Since this is being designed for a mobile application a ground would be to hard to facilitate. But I am sure that a virtual ground could be used If I needed such. If you look at this link and read it all you will find all the components that Tesla used and explained fully. Even how to create the special transformer and the winding ratios:

"Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency"

Please try to read the whole thing and you should start to understand where I pulled this all from. I know it goes into lighting but the shielding part is in that part of the article.
The antennas are to create a focusing effect and draw more charges via the sheets of light he describes in the article that run from one to the other. There is a nice section showing the sheets between to wires of different surface area in there. I believe even at lower voltages these sheet will still be present but have less charges in them and quite invisible to the naked eye but the charge collection that goes on in between the antennas will still be the same.

[vrand]

Actually that is the whole reason to shield everything from the oil filled transformer to the antennas. This is to make it so that the charges that would normally get pulled in by the corona actually don't get what they want which would be the free charges in the environment. No grounding is needed and what is attracted should be blocked by the dielectric and what doesn't should be passed around the transformer and wires and dissipated from the shielding. The shielding should go all the way into the transformer and into the oil which should be not that hard to do. That way the shielding should contain just about 99 percent of the corona and stop it from feeding into the system until you want it to do such.
The construction of the transformer will be made entirely out of plastic and will adhere to Tesla's design of that special transformer. I think I linked to the article that showed the construction and why aluminum should be used to shield the entire thing. Any kind of oil can be used so I am thinking about a vegetable oil like linseed oil or the likes.
Probably copper wire that are solid core and made for High voltages and good amperage as well after the special transformer.
I haven't worked on the voltages yet but I would assume they would be pretty high, maybe 1k in the first stage and 2-3k in the second stage but that has to be played with to get the right levels. What I am thinking is that the more voltage potential something has the more ability to pull charges twords that hv source.
Well Tesla said that 6k to 10k is the optimum frequencies but I have to check of the type of emissions we know about at what frequencies. I am pretty sure
6-10k is safe for general use.
Since this is being designed for a mobile application a ground would be to hard to facilitate. But I am sure that a virtual ground could be used If I needed such. If you look at this link and read it all you will find all the components that Tesla used and explained fully. Even how to create the special transformer and the winding ratios:

"Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency"

Please try to read the whole thing and you should start to understand where I pulled this all from. I know it goes into lighting but the shielding part is in that part of the article.
The antennas are to create a focusing effect and draw more charges via the sheets of light he describes in the article that run from one to the other. There is a nice section showing the sheets between to wires of different surface area in there. I believe even at lower voltages these sheet will still be present but have less charges in them and quite invisible to the naked eye but the charge collection that goes on in between the antennas will still be the same.

My take on Tesla's, HV HF design is a little different, more towards Eric Dollards experiments he did on video back in the 80's. What is needed is an experiment to confirm your theory. I look forward to seeing it

Regards, Mike

[Jbignes5]

I agree.

I agree that experimenting is the only way... One thing you might not have seen is that my theory is ac to pulsed dc... Most traditional Tesla coils are ac....

[vrand]

I agree that experimenting is the only way... One thing you might not have seen is that my theory is ac to pulsed dc... Most traditional Tesla coils are ac....

Yeah, where sparks are AC and arcs are DC. That is one of my interest in the sucahyo's "sparko" pin arc design, where he was arcing using tiny amounts of currents vs the typical arc welders huge currents.

If we can somehow use air + water mist + HV/HF = fueling engine, like Tutanka's says he has done, then we don't need gasoline to fuel our cars or gensets to power our homes.

Nor do we need the environmental disaster of the BP gulf oil spill to power our cars and homes.

Regards

[Jbignes5]

Unfortunately...

I doubt we will be able to buck the established corporations but we definetly can figure our own way without consuming our way through our beautiful lands. However long they might last.
The method you describe sounds very familiar to the Meyers device. In actuality he said that some of Tesla's work inspired his thinking that water could be passively taken apart.
Another interesting device is the Dr. Stiffler sec device that has been showing excellent electrolysis but I think he might not be understanding his device that well. Seeing that if you take my Theory that I have devised from Tesla's work and how nature appears to work it fits the same profile. Dr. Stiffler has a device that resonates a coil and has a diode as the final electrode in water coupled by a ring of metal tape around the outside of a test tube with the diode in the water itself. This seems to produce only hydrogen from the end of the diode that would be blocking half of the ac signal he produces. In effect creating a static potential on one end of the diode wire. Very little oxygen is produced from the end that is coupled to the metal tape which I believe is hooked to the one wire transmitter he has devised. This seems to do the same as what I am proposing but he is using the inrush of charges twords that one end to enact electrolysis by stripping charges from the water as well. This is actually a passive system of doing electrolysis because they don't need to loop and destroy the dipole it sets up.

Here is a link to the Dr. Stiffler device and the test with electrolysis:

YouTube - MUST SEE AND SAVE THIS IMPORTANT VIDEO!

I am thinking that I should try this myself as well to prove to myself that this is the exact process and that I can do it in my method as well with better results. Meaning that my system that I modified should be able to extract more because the potential is much higher. It's the precursor to my main experiment and should give me more data of my theory being right or it could let me know more about what is wrong in my theory.
Anyways I will know more once I start my tests and record the results.

[sucahyo]

I can do experiment on that. But what should I observe?

Playing with candle yesterday:


The fire act like a conductor and yet the negative wire push them away. When the positive terminal is angle 90 degree, the spark make 90 degree turn near the fire. And the fire try to stay away...

No video, sorry. I doubt I can show it with my crappy webcam too. Just talk I guess.

My negative dominant output on the car coil version is the non shared HV one.

If you connect the shared leg to battery positive. If you imagine that the transistor switching bounce back the current to reverse direction, then the current will retract from both non shared leg. When the transitor open its path again, the current will revert back to normal, allowing HV output to produce normal voltage multiplication function.

If the switching done abruptly, then the HV output will produce more retracting voltage and current instead of normal voltage multiplication flow. If not, then the HV output produce AC, or worse more normal voltage multiplication flow.

The retracting current push the candle fire, and made the neon bulb electrode lit though. So i may have the term backward, lol what confusing matter .

The shared leg do nothing to the candle fire.

[vrand]

I doubt we will be able to buck the established corporations but we definetly can figure our own way without consuming our way through our beautiful lands. However long they might last.
The method you describe sounds very familiar to the Meyers device. In actuality he said that some of Tesla's work inspired his thinking that water could be passively taken apart.
Another interesting device is the Dr. Stiffler sec device that has been showing excellent electrolysis but I think he might not be understanding his device that well. Seeing that if you take my Theory that I have devised from Tesla's work and how nature appears to work it fits the same profile. Dr. Stiffler has a device that resonates a coil and has a diode as the final electrode in water coupled by a ring of metal tape around the outside of a test tube with the diode in the water itself. This seems to produce only hydrogen from the end of the diode that would be blocking half of the ac signal he produces. In effect creating a static potential on one end of the diode wire. Very little oxygen is produced from the end that is coupled to the metal tape which I believe is hooked to the one wire transmitter he has devised. This seems to do the same as what I am proposing but he is using the inrush of charges twords that one end to enact electrolysis by stripping charges from the water as well. This is actually a passive system of doing electrolysis because they don't need to loop and destroy the dipole it sets up.

Here is a link to the Dr. Stiffler device and the test with electrolysis:

YouTube - MUST SEE AND SAVE THIS IMPORTANT VIDEO!

I am thinking that I should try this myself as well to prove to myself that this is the exact process and that I can do it in my method as well with better results. Meaning that my system that I modified should be able to extract more because the potential is much higher. It's the precursor to my main experiment and should give me more data of my theory being right or it could let me know more about what is wrong in my theory.
Anyways I will know more once I start my tests and record the results.

Interesting, thanks for pointing out the Dr. Stiffler device

Yeah, Meyers found a way in splitting water efficiently to fuel his Dune Buggy, but sadly took the secret to his grave.

[vrand]

I can do experiment on that. But what should I observe?

Playing with candle yesterday:


The fire act like a conductor and yet the negative wire push them away. When the positive terminal is angle 90 degree, the spark make 90 degree turn near the fire. And the fire try to stay away...

No video, sorry. I doubt I can show it with my crappy webcam too. Just talk I guess.

My negative dominant output on the car coil version is the non shared HV one.

If you connect the shared leg to battery positive. If you imagine that the transistor switching bounce back the current to reverse direction, then the current will retract from both non shared leg. When the transitor open its path again, the current will revert back to normal, allowing HV output to produce normal voltage multiplication function.

If the switching done abruptly, then the HV output will produce more retracting voltage and current instead of normal voltage multiplication flow. If not, then the HV output produce AC, or worse more normal voltage multiplication flow.

The retracting current push the candle fire, and made the neon bulb electrode lit though. So i may have the term backward, lol what confusing matter .

The shared leg do nothing to the candle fire.

Is that your Stingo circuit without the arc forming at the end? Pulsed DC or AC rectified?

This would be another way to control forest fires, if scaled up. Can the negative ions blow out the flame?

Thanks

[fzzzy]

sucahyo, I would like to replicate your Stingo circuit but I would like a little bit more information.

I know you said to use a 1k ohm resistor instead of 100 ohm.

What car coil are you using? Model number?

What are the specs of the two diodes?

Are two electrodes on the left are the spark gap? Are the two open electrodes on the coil just open and unused?

I am just learning to build circuits so I want to be sure I understand so I don't make stupid mistakes. I built a replication of the Imhotep relay charger last night and it seemed to work. From what I have read about tesla, the relay charger doesn't seem that interesting to me, but I wanted to build a replication because the instructions were clear and the circuit was simple. I consider it a successful practice session.

Thank you for this thread and your efforts! I really appreciate it!

[fzzzy]

Speaking of negative ions, I got interested in whether it would be possible to buy or build a langmuir probe.

Langmuir probe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Since it seems they go for around $15,000, I wonder how hard it would be to come up with an open source version that we could build and use in these experiments.

Arc and spark are plasma, a gas which conducts electricity. The discharges from a tesla coil and lightning are plasma. Tesla didn't have a Langmuir probe, but maybe modern day tesla researchers can! Most tesla researchers are shooting in the dark since we don't have good instruments for measuring experiments.

The physical probe doesn't seem like it would be that difficult to construct. The hard part is the math, but perhaps a USB Langmuir probe with software to do the math wouldn't be too hard.

I also have daydreamed about a longitudinal wave detector that was basically a microphone concept modified to hear tesla's longitudinal electricity. Are longitudinal waves simply sound waves of extremely high frequency? Could some sort of microphone like device exist that could hear them?

Look forward to other ideas of how to measure tesla experiments as well...

[sucahyo]

sucahyo, I would like to replicate your Stingo circuit but I would like a little bit more information.

I know you said to use a 1k ohm resistor instead of 100 ohm.

What car coil are you using? Model number?

What are the specs of the two diodes?

Are two electrodes on the left are the spark gap? Are the two open electrodes on the coil just open and unused?

Hello, here is my circuit. Use the one with more resistor for most reliable result, I use the first one for my candle experiment and corona maker:






actual:





100 ohm is too hot, 0 ohm can melt the transistor in seconds.

My coil is mallory promaster, but I don't think it is required. Try with any HV transformer you have.

I just use any black diode I found. But if you want to go fancy try 1N5148.


for scalar detector, the simplest one is a radio inside a grounded metal box. But some say that detecting scalar can not be done by the same device we use to measure transversal wave.

[tutanka]

I can do experiment on that. But what should I observe?

Probably you produce electricity like an battery or better similarry an static homopolar generator .. you can use an pvc tube an inside power an arc discharge, from the end of sides apply to the left aluminum plate and on the right copper plate.. use an tester for to see voltage generated on plates. If you don't have time for create pvc tube reactor you can start other simple experiment.. that I attach here diagram .. As you can see is very similar to tesla receiver but instead use an transformer you use an diode bridge. After few minutes your capacitor is charged.. Regards