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[gmeast]

diode

Hi Gmeast, could you tell me what the purpose of the 1n5408 diode across the coil windings in you circuit drawing ? I don't understand i'm sure there must be a good reason but i've missed it.

Cheers
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Hi Farmhand,

After you slice away everything, watch the watkjyky video, etc., that is the location and orientation of the recovery diode(s). The only thing that's missing (as I wrote when I posted the schematic) is the choke that finally goes 'after' the diode in series on its way to battery+. And, as I said at the time, the choke is not there because I didn't have one and didn't know what it was for anyhow ... and still am not sure.

Now, because we do NOT have an actual schematic of watkjyky's modified Hex Controller board, I assume the diodes go there ... because there's no other place they could go?

Later

[Farmhand]

Ok I see now Haha. Yes recovery diode that is most defininately where it go's yes.
Have you seen parts 3 to 5 of these .

YouTube - Donald L. Smith_Device [3 Of 5]

He explains how to alter the frequency and before thathe says that by using two different frequencies the battery can be charged while being used.

Cheers

Here's a cool video of energy in toroidal geometry. Very entertaining. Notice how the dolphins can swirl thier air toroids "around the ring aswell as through the centre and around back through. See how long they go for and how stable but manoverable those swirling air toroids are. the energy is definitly consevered by action or something.

YouTube - Extraordinary Toroidal Vortices

Anyway we must remember not to give the dolphins anything they can use against us, they are very tricky, and have had a rough deal.

[Farmhand]

More diode questions

Hi all,

Ok so what are the diodes in the small picture top left corner of the schematic. The one's from source to drain I think, I know you've spoken of them. What do they do ? From what i've read they ensure a positve only pulse, as in no swing below zero. like in the graph from a datasheet I will also post.

Post with diode's

http://www.energeticforum.com/124189-post432.html

Diode recovery graph.

http://9xf5uw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pzbRpb3A38ptYPffAj3Hqz8eA2XWhi83kz4E7ldQA2ipmtkkPm7AWYSIdE3RJ8EnzXUf3TzxuQmdwb8pPLbrx7hF0bVPNnGnp/Diode%20Behavior.jpg?psid=1

I think I need to do that.

As far as the arrangement of the chokes, I think in the self charger possibility drawing attached forget L1 and L2 if we just use really long leads and wrap them a fair few times around a steel or laminated core or ferrite. Or even just coil them up a bit, into a coil. They would then be two chokes wouldn't they ? Then use a choke on the recovery just like in the Watkjyky Video. Take the input to the coils from the battery side of the Positive "lead" choke(like in the drawing), hopefully the recovery choke will change the frequency of the output to be different from the coil draw. and the oscillators will be isolated enough by the "lead" choke's and the capacitor.

I hope that made sense that seems like it would at least be worth a try.

Cheers

[gmeast]

diode

Ok I see now Haha. Yes recovery diode that is most defininately where it go's yes.
Have you seen parts 3 to 5 of these .

YouTube - Donald L. Smith_Device [3 Of 5]

He explains how to alter the frequency and before thathe says that by using two different frequencies the battery can be charged while being used.

Cheers

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Hi all,

Here is another picture scope capture that shows very clearly the ringing being chopped in half by the diode and the ringing is occurring at one-diode-drop 'above' the battery+ (green) and also the top of that battery is ringing. Here:

http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/charging/diode_capture.JPG

I have found it very important to use the biggest wire size you can on the power side of the circuit (or the silver plated solid copper wire) ... and this would include wires in and out of any diode circuit. This is high frequency stuff and long, small wires will just broadcast and 'ring-away' the energy and seek other paths ... most likely AWAY from where you want it to go .. haha.

I had never gotten such a clear picture of this until I went to bigger wire for the diode recovery part of the circuit. Two pictures showing that. Here:

http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/charging/diode_hookup.jpg

http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/charging/diode_hookup1.jpg

http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/charging/diode_hookup0.jpg

The big Red wire out from the diode goes to battery+ and the smaller Red wire is the Drain/Coil node (where they connect). The pink+alligator is a scope probe.

Farmhand: The smith stuff is great. This guy's thought process is intimately tied to the technology ... he knows this stuff ... it's part of him ... it's incredible! AND, the wire length issue is most definitely to be integrated into our work ... I mean who would include THAT as an integral COMPONENT ... that is "...A PIECE OF WIRE THIS LONG...", etc?

Anyway, enjoy the pictures. Later

[gmeast]

Ok I see now Haha. Yes recovery diode that is most defininately where it go's yes.
Have you seen parts 3 to 5 of these .

YouTube - Donald L. Smith_Device [3 Of 5]

He explains how to alter the frequency and before thathe says that by using two different frequencies the battery can be charged while being used.

Has anyone downloaded a high quality version of this video showing the NPS-12D10 Gas Tube Power Supply. All I could get from the video is that it is:
Input = 12VDC @ 1 Amp

The output is either:
10,000VAC @ 5mA
or
30,000VAC @ 5mA

... or it might be something entirely different. I could not find the spec for the NPS-12D10 power supply itself anywhere ... doesn't mean it's not "gettable" ... people own these things you know ... they haven't disappeared ... and some may not even know they've got them.

Later,

Greg

[Farmhand]

Has anyone downloaded a high quality version of this video showing the NPS-12D10 Gas Tube Power Supply. All I could get from the video is that it is:
Input = 12VDC @ 1 Amp

The output is either:
10,000VAC @ 5mA
or
30,000VAC @ 5mA

... or it might be something entirely different. I could not find the spec for the NPS-12D10 power supply itself anywhere ... doesn't mean it's not "gettable" ... people own these things you know ... they haven't disappeared ... and some may not even know they've got them.

Later,

Greg

I see thats 12 watts in and 50 watts out if it was 10 000VAC @ 5Ma isn't it? Very interesting. I would like to hear an explaination for that from a professor.

That should be persued, good pickup, I didn't think he was talking that much gain. Wow, I want one, free energy device's already on the market and for what ? Pretty lights. It would be a very handy componant though. Do you hear the ouputs he claims of his devices.

Nothing to see there.

Cheers

[gmeast]

Don Smith OU already out there

I see thats 12 watts in and 50 watts out if it was 10 000VAC @ 5Ma isn't it? Very interesting. I would like to hear an explaination for that from a professor.

That should be persued, good pickup, I didn't think he was talking that much gain. Wow, I want one, free energy device's already on the market and for what ? Pretty lights. It would be a very handy componant though. Do you hear the ouputs he claims of his devices.

Nothing to see there.

Cheers

OK ... I think the Output is 3000VAC@5mA, and that's 15Watts or 15/12 = COP = 125%

But look here ... found a current market resonant circuit gas tube power supply:

http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/charging/gas_tube_Power_supply.jpg

This one is 12Watts Input and 20Watts Output OR ......20/12 = COP = 167%, and they go even further to say "... 1A MAX"

OK ... Smith is right ... they just come right out and say it ... have any of them been shot dead?

Oh ... this came as a shock to me. I'm running an air-core coil at resonance ('cause Farmhand suggested it) and somehow my Mosfet ended up with little tiny droplets of moisture condensation on the heat sink, and it's fairly dry where I'm at right now .... spooky!

Later

[Farmhand]

Oh ... this came as a shock to me. I'm running an air-core coil at resonance ('cause Farmhand suggested it) and somehow my Mosfet ended up with little tiny droplets of moisture condensation on the heat sink, and it's fairly dry where I'm at right now .... spooky!

Don't blame me if your mosfet makes water and shorts out your circuit.
It was 7imix's idea.

But seriously that could be a problem, water and electronics don't mix.

I haven't run a circuit long enough with a cold fet to notice that, but I suppose there is no way around it.. If it's cold it will cause condensation.

This might sound wierd but I hope it didn't create the water from energy. Surely not. I must try that it's humid here. That brings up another point, this desufator circuit seems to be heavily influenced by the coil. Is it like that with the op-amp PWM as well ?

OK ... Smith is right ... they just come right out and say it ... have any of them been shot dead?

No I doubt it. Those HV module must be like a mini SS tesla coil or something. That is interesting in itself.

[7imix]

this desufator circuit seems to be heavily influenced by the coil. Is it like that with the op-amp PWM as well ?



No I doubt it. Those HV module must be like a mini SS tesla coil or something. That is interesting in itself.

yes, the oscillations affect the driver circuit... I am thinking we need an optocoupler in there.

That's exactly what smith says in the video, that the hv modules are mini ss tesla coils. Thanks for the link to the videos, they are amazing.

[Farmhand]

Hi 7imix,

yes, the oscillations affect the driver circuit... I am thinking we need an optocoupler in there.

I hope a optocoupler helps, I can understand the coil frequency maybe being higher than the the gate pulses , but I can't understand how the chip frequency would change like that if not because of the coil, but it's funny because after the the big jump in frequency I can't measure the Hz. I'm setting up to do some input lead tests, I have coils that are only 4 meters long windings

I'll try the recovery wrapped around a straight powder core aswell, they are very cheap. The biggest one I have is 12mm x 60mm.

That's exactly what smith says in the video, that the hv modules are mini ss tesla coils. Thanks for the link to the videos, they are amazing.

I thought I heard him say that but I wasn't sure. I wonder how much they cost. Ahah! does it have dual HV positive outputs ? If so it may be a resonant dual secondary type thing. A "power replication device" maybe ? With losses they come out a bit less than 200%.

Cheers

I think I heard him say they have two outputs, and he parallel's them, not sure which video now, so many video's.

[gmeast]

air-core captures

Hi guys,

OK, I think this is what you've kinda' been expecting our traces to look more like. Following are two scope captures of the air-core coil I've been running the last few hours.

The coil is actually only a roll of insulated 12ga. solid copper wire on its spool. There's about 400ft of wire on it ... 5in OD X 2in ID X 5in H

The first capture is WITHOUT the recovery diode engaged.
The second capture is WITH the recovery diode engaged.
The PW is right at 2.25usec for both traces.
All I did was disengage and engage the diode.
The Green trace is Battery+
The little Yellow and Green 1, 2 sit on ground.

The captures are here:

http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/charging/aircore_wo-diode.JPG

http://02d1852.netsolhost.com/radiant/charging/aircore_w-diode.JPG

Enjoy. Later

[Farmhand]

Interesting Shots

That certainly looks like quite a disturbance, well done and the second one is impressive as well of course (same one). So the PW has no change when you connect the diode ?

I'm about to have a play I hope I can see something interesting too. I was thinking instead of a choke why not an accelerator instead ? "serial pancake's" or conicals just for the fun of it. I appologise for getting off project all the time but I like to take every opportunity to enjoy my experiments.

Anyway have you been winding your big core yet ?

Rgds

[cikljamas]

555 selfoscillator

Hi guys, what do you think about this :
I could replicate this today if i just knew how to use transformer
instead of this car coil cause i do not have one, any suggestion ?

[Farmhand]

Hi guys, what do you think about this :
I could replicate this today if i just knew how to use transformer
instead of this car coil cause i do not have one, any suggestion ?

Hi cikljamas, you can pulse the low voltage winding on a normal transformer.
But you won't get any Kv out. probably only what the usual input rating is.

Gmeast,that is the diode i'm talking about the 1n4007 diode in cikljamas' drawing there(last post). Do I need one of those ? Is that important? It seems important. Do you have a diode there ?

By the way I think 15Kz is dodgy, I think i just accidentally tazered myself but only with 220v at 15Kz, might be a good idea to try to stay away from 15Kz. I took one end of the sine wave in each hand, it felt really wierd. But i'm ok now, I think. I would've been a lot more carefull if it was low frequency. I didn't think it would do that at that high of a frequency.

Anyway I put that away and i'm back on project.

Cheers

[cikljamas]

Hi cikljamas, you can pulse the low voltage winding on a normal transformer.
But you won't get any Kv out. probably only what the usual input rating is.

Farmhand, could you edit my drawing and show me how would you
connect these pins ?

Thanks !