Use for the Tesla Switch

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Hi Murlin, welcome!!!!! You'll find this forum to be full of wonderful people with brillant, thinking "outside of the box", minds. It has been a very pleasurable idea exchange for me and very rewarding. You won't be laughed at here (unless you invite it) anyway, we welcome your input.

Thanks

Bit's

[Matthew Jones]

This project promises to be quite entertaining and I have decided if nothing else, it will be my contribution to America’s financial crisis, by putting money back into the economy…

Pay cash if possible. No need to finance the banks via credit cards.

Welcome

Matt

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Pay cash if possible. No need to finance the banks via credit cards.

Welcome

Matt

Second that! You should get a discount for paying cash too, because all the companies that accept those cards have to pay from 1-3% or even more for accepting the dang things.

Leroy

[Plazma]

Pulling Some Power

Hi Mathew,

I have had similar thoughts along the lines you've suggested, but here's an interesting possibility - that is, if one were to use a pair of 12v batteries at each node in the TS, one would be switching 48V across 24Volts (plus drops) netting maybe 18Volts in charging mode that would have to be balanced out impedance wise for effective charging. However, if one had a way to flip both sides of the TS "on" (but not charging), then one could connect an inverter across both strings in parallel (or series, depending on one's choice of outboard switches and diodes). In strings/parallel one would have nearly 48 volts going to the outboard inverter. In strings/series, one would have nearly 96 volts feeding the inverter. The switching I'm suggesting here is fairly easy to do with a PIC (which is what I have) - but other topologies are possible. How much energy one gets from "conditioned" batteries using such a scheme is really dependant on the design of the inverter, which would have to match the impedance(s) of the strings of batteries and the switching setup one chooses. In such a configuration, one could probably get significant power through the inverter. The energy transfer duration would have to be limited by the "charging" time needed by the TS to "recover", so energy comes out in "chunks" and charging occurs in "bursts", perhaps. The possible advantage you've suggested in your post is that power is pulled at a time when charging is suspended, so the outboard load from the inverter does not interfere with charging, if I understand your post correctly. Thanks for the insightful suggestion.

I don't see any reason (outside of the basic understanding) why you couldn't setup a 120 volt system. 11x 12 volt batteries on each side. Run it at 60 hertz.
It would probably power a conventional 110 load. At least a motor or lights. I am not sure how anything else would act off of it.

Thats still pretty far ahead from where any of us need to be though.

I am happy it really doesn't have to go that fast. I am pretty sure looking at whats running I have had a functional switch for some time. I was just going to fast.

Cheers
Matt

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You let the kitty cat out!

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What you will notice is a sharp funny looking square wave, not what I have seen so far, I will try to take pictures for you all. The minimum scope must be at least 100Mhz to see anything. I was showing Peter yesterday when you get it switching right you will see the scope go negative 1 1/2 times the input, This would give you a COP of 2 anymore then this, John would not be around to talk about anything.
[...]JB

JB,

I hate to remove anything you have said, but I did to make a point to our com padres on this list.

COP of 2. That was a HUGE statement. You did not say if more was possible, but you are still around, so maybe more is not possible.
Even a COP of 2 is huge for a battery powered system although most of we SGers know even more is possible.

I appreciate you comments and the drawing. I really hate to ask yet another question...but again, I must as the master is in the classroom. I'm not trying to butter you up big guy, but you ARE the only one capable of answering the question at least to my knowledge (maybe Peter L. too).

If I was home and had access to my oscope or a scanner, I'd take a picture or draw another one that you could probably comment on that would help me and possibly some others too. Alas, I'm on the road and itching to get going again...received my transistors, power diodes, copper boards, film for making the boards, inductors galore, etc.

On my scope (500Mhz or 400Mhz can't remember which), I see some other things as well. Like, when it is in the "delay" part of the waveform, it is switching at a high frequency from let's say 0 to 12V and doing this many many times or maybe from -X volts to 0 volts again, many many times. Depending on the frequency of the pulses, this does indeed change (the number of these high frequency pulses). Is this just noise that I should be trying to get rid of, or is this all the better? Is this something that you also see?

One more thing about your comments to Matt. You said, "What you will notice is a sharp funny looking square wave, not what I have seen so far." The part I do not understand is where you say, "not what I have seen so far". Perhaps you meant you have not seen that waveform on THIS forum so far?

When we see this waveform, we are on the right path and at a minimum, we will be seeing a COP 2.0 system in front of our very eyes.

Thank you JB for your time, knowledge, and maybe even more for your patience.

Leroy

[Murlin]

Hi Murlin, welcome!!!!! You'll find this forum to be full of wonderful people with brilliant, thinking "outside of the box", minds. It has been a very pleasurable idea exchange for me and very rewarding. You won't be laughed at here (unless you invite it) anyway, we welcome your input.

Thanks for the welcome Bits. From what I have seen so far I would agree..

Pay cash if possible. No need to finance the banks via credit cards.

Welcome

I heard that...

Thanks to you as well Mr. Jones...

On a side note....

My Brother in law is a nuclear engineer. He came over and I showed him
"the gizmo" as I like to call it. He said when I was ready he would come over and help me scope things out.

His input was that my diodes were not fast enough to rectify the full voltage.

That could be why I was only seeing 3 volts across the bridge.

He also pointed out that I may have to build my own bridge as well because the ones you buy are usually made for home applications that work on 60 Cycles

Makes sense...

You guys have a good evening..

Peace

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Thanks for the welcome Bits. From what I have seen so far I would agree..

Not only that, you can get all philosophical and say some really off the wall crap and they will just ignore it. It is a wonderful bunch of guys here, all trying to learn and none of them seem to be stupid. I can't include myself in that NOT stupid list, but I appreciate not getting a bunch stuff about those posts.

@All:

Thanks.


Leroy

[Murlin]

I just cant seem to drag myself away tonight. New and exciting things keep occurring.

I can't include myself in that NOT stupid list, but I appreciate not getting a bunch stuff about those posts.

Aww come on now, I have read some of your posts and find them to be quite enjoyable.

Just when you think you have run into a dead end, leave it to Mr. Bedini to cast new light on the matter.....

I was just asking myself if I needed more diodes and then I ran cross this.



Outstanding! Something else to try. You are definitely The Man. I can see I am going to have to study this thread very carefully.

Thank You Sir!!

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I got a little time and redrew John's circuit to show how we might be able to get power out and get charging at the same time. See what you think. If this works then we can run a DC load from this without a bridge rectifier. If I have got this wrong then please explain where I made my mistake. Thanks, citfta


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I haven't tried this setup without the parallel transistors (JBs), or your idea with the diodes and the load at the bottom, but it looks like a way to get a single load in the circuit with only one direction for potential...so you CAN use an led or a motor. You will however, have one more diode drop, so you lose some potential there.

Sometimes I like to meditate on things, and it also brings the idea back into the lime light, so to speak, after everyone has forgotten about it. If you were just looking for charging, or powering a small potential load, it should work just fine in this configuration as far as I can tell....but no testing on it....yet!

Leroy

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Can WE?

Guys and gals,

I just had a dream. It was so vivid that I actually got up 2 hrs after going to bed to write this post.

JB was in an exhibition hall speaking and showing his incredible machines. When JB stops it was lunch time, many people went into a particular room and a short while afterward JB walks in and goes to the front of the room and sits on a stool. He says the first question gets answered.

People run to the front of the room. A woman is first...she acts like she is star stuck, barely able to get a word out of her mouth. She slinks away. Then it is my turn, and you all know I'm long winded, so I go on and on about nothing and just before I ask my question, JB falls on the floor and flops around like he is dying. When he gets up, he looks at me and says, "What, why" and looks around for somebody with a question. I woke up.

I guess the reason I got up to write this, is that JB is a busy man. Working 3 jobs, testing stuff, it is amazing that he even has a chance to read all our crap on this forum. There is some good stuff in here too, so don't get me wrong, but maybe we should keep the BS down to a minimum on this forum. When JB does decide to leave us to our own devices, then we can BS all we want. Just something to think about, so JB does not have to wade through all kinds of things that aren't relevant and pertinent to the 4 battery TS or the Scalar Charger.

If he is willing to help us, then we should be considerate of his time. Food for thought.


I have seen the wave that JB is speaking of, if I remember correctly. I'm not at home, and can not verify. I believe he is measuring across the batteries and the graph is the switching of those series to parallel potentials. The waveform I was asking him about was between the CE of the middle transistor/(anode/cathode of the SCR), not across the two batteries. I do NOT believe (if I remember correctly) that mine went negative 40 V, but it was negative and I agree, the actual wave form would be hard to draw, JB cleaned it up a lot so don't expect that EXACT waveform. That waveform is like a snake, it moves, the potential is continually moving and when the switch happens, it moves faster and in the other direction. [EDIT] The closer the frequency is to being correct, the less like a snake the waveform will appear, but it is not a "static" wave form. [END EDIT]

Leroy

P.S. Now I will try to get some sleep.

[JANGYD]

The Waveform

I have seen the wave that JB is speaking of, if I remember correctly. I'm not at home, and can not verify. I believe he is measuring across the batteries and the graph is the switching of those series to parallel potentials. The waveform I was asking him about was between the CE of the middle transistor/(anode/cathode of the SCR), not across the two batteries. I do NOT believe (if I remember correctly) that mine went negative 40 V, but it was negative and I agree, the actual wave form would be hard to draw, JB cleaned it up a lot so don't expect that EXACT waveform. That waveform is like a snake, it moves, the potential is continually moving and when the switch happens, it moves faster and in the other direction.

Leroy

P.S. Now I will try to get some sleep.

Hi Leroy,

I think the waveform you mentioning it like a snake
between the CE of the middle transistor is same to what I am seeing.
When I get rid of the power line off the scope, It looks cleared.
I don't think this wave looks like a snake is not the waveform JB mentioned above.
Good sleep.

Regards,

JANG

[JANGYD]

Powered on load

You can NOT run a load off one of the batteries and have it in the switch charging it simultaneously. JB has always said that was a no no. You can parallel the batteries and run a bigger load, i.e. a 12V load or run a 6V load while running the TS and it will run for a very long time. Or, you could have 4 batteries, using one for the bigger load, and use the other three in the 3 battery switch until all are charged. Take the one that WAS running the load, and put it in the 3 battery switch and take one of the charged batteries and let it run the load. Keep that going and you have continuous power.
Lero to you my friend.

Hi Leroy,

when the load is 3.2~3.8V, 20ma bulb, the TS is powering under 0.1W.
Your saying if we want more power to get out the battery, then just add
more the batteries in parallel.
Does this mean we can draw enough current from the TS if the voltage of
the load is not over 6V(in your case).

JANG

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current

Hi Leroy,

when the load is 3.2~3.8V, 20ma bulb, the TS is powering under 0.1W.
Your saying if we want more power to get out the battery, then just add
more the batteries in parallel.
Does this mean we can draw enough current from the TS if the voltage of
the load is not over 6V(in your case).

JANG

I did NOT say to get power out of the batteries with the TS you should put more in parallel. You have read all the posts, no? JB said that there were three uses for the 4 battery TS (at least I think he was referring the the 4 TS). After reading these posts and my posts, you will see that the three uses are unverified by JB. JB has not verified the last use I mentioned or even confirmed the other two, so what do YOU think the three uses are?

One should never try to draw current past the C20 of a single battery continuously. So, the C20 is the max current one should ever try to get across the load while using the TS. How did I suggest drawing power from the batteries?

Leroy

P.S. You can not read a post by JB to many times!

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Hi Leroy,

I think the waveform you mentioning it like a snake
between the CE of the middle transistor is same to what I am seeing.
When I get rid of the power line off the scope, It looks cleared.
I don't think this wave looks like a snake is not the waveform JB mentioned above.
Good sleep.

Regards,

JANG

JANG,

I was talking about two different waveforms. I wish I was home so I could have been more precise, I have to work from memory being on the road.

From memory:
When the frequency is not quite right, even the potential across the batteries is more like a snake, and this also depends on the duty cycle some. When the frequency is dialed in correctly with a given duty cycle, it does not move quite so much like a snake, but it is not just a static looking wave either. You could not look at it and say...that is a square wave, or a sine wave, or it always reaches 21V, then spikes up to 24 (or higher), it does vary some. You could not just draw it and say....this is it, that is why JB said it was the best he could do, IMHO.

I will not speak of this again until I can get home and be precise which will be in another week or two.

Leroy

[John_Bedini]

Tesla switch

Murlin,
You are correct. The diodes are very important. However if you switch the semiconductor with the correct pulse it will go negative. I guess it's time to post a video of the current and voltage gain. The batteries will perform much better under pulse charge. I find the magic between 1/2 second and 1 second depending on the batteries. You might do research on the neg-sistor as the energy is in the negative end. I will set up some pages to show this. I can not say much as some of this is found in my patents. The potential charger is my patent, it covers allot of thing including solar. Since I stay under my patent but with inverted circuits this is the only change I have made to some of the systems. The mechanical switch will work for a short time then contacts fail. I have used mercury switches and other gigantic relays but they all fail, the semiconductor is the only thing that stays working. I have seen gains higher then COP of 2 as I have watched the battery pushed beyond 17.5 volts. I'm going to try and do a short video on my pages.
JB

Thanks for the welcome Bits. From what I have seen so far I would agree..



I heard that...

Thanks to you as well Mr. Jones...

On a side note....

My Brother in law is a nuclear engineer. He came over and I showed him
"the gizmo" as I like to call it. He said when I was ready he would come over and help me scope things out.

His input was that my diodes were not fast enough to rectify the full voltage.

That could be why I was only seeing 3 volts across the bridge.

He also pointed out that I may have to build my own bridge as well because the ones you buy are usually made for home applications that work on 60 Cycles

Makes sense...

You guys have a good evening..

Peace