Where is the free energy?

[Dog-One]

"let it perform"....... the inertia is like training a CAT, it licks itself and gives you that "F YOU" stare of indifference.


Too bad, the inertia is a cat, not a DOG.

MEOW.

you can borrow the forces, but the forces must be made to manifest from the inertia.

to cause the inertia to SPONTANEOUSLY manifest forces is the Unicorn everyone is looking for.

Retroductive thinking then...

How about we play private-eye and follow the inertia back to counterspace. Build a "lossy" system that appears to lose energy to "nowhere". Maybe a caduceus coil or something that appears to bleed energy. Surely this would be easier to fabricate. Then we set fire to the haystack and watch the path the inertia took. If we could do that much, surely we could reverse it. As it is now, we're throwing darts in the dark.

[TheoriaApophasis]

MEOW.
How about we play private-eye and follow the inertia back to counterspace. Build a "lossy" system that appears to lose energy to "nowhere". Maybe a caduceus coil or something that appears to bleed energy. Surely this would be easier to fabricate. Then we set fire to the haystack and watch the path the inertia took. If we could do that much, surely we could reverse it. As it is now, we're throwing darts in the dark.

pour some more water out of that KLEIN BOTTLE


thirst ensues.

[sadang]

I just used a well known word, namely "zero point energy field" and I did not took into consideration its deep meaning. Its actual meaning is based ont the Big-Bang and relativity theory, according to which everything appeared from a point of infinite energy! Of course I agree with you, there is no point without a predetermining line and viceversa! But are this reasoning available in counterspace? Are they also seen there as aoristos dyas?

Anyway, going back to the "free energy" concept and your idea of drilling a hole in the ether, I dare to say this work takes place from the beginning of this Universe, it is under our nose happening for eternity, but we can't sense this!

An example that go right now trough my mind is to look in a clear summer day to the blue sky and will see something that the actual science call phosphene. Observe them for a while and will sense more about what I want to say with "is under our nose happening for eternity". If you are familiar with the work of Reich and Reichenbach these aspects should not be something new for you!

[mbrownn]

I did some more research into earth currents, its a very interesting field but mixed with lots of nonsense too. The basics seem to be this.

They do exist and they can be very strong flowing thousands of amps . They can be close to the surface or deep down. They have magnetic fields although at the surface they do not have a huge effect on a compass. They tend to flow in circles but will follow or go around geographic features.

At this time I have not heard any mention of the voltages but I would expect them to be quite low as the distance between two points that we can measure will be small.

Im not saying that this is "the source of energy" or that it is driven by the electric universe as no one seems to know what is really driving them, but it is a potential source of electrical energy. I will say that this pattern is not what I expected and does not fit with anything I expected, but is interesting all the same.

This link is where I first spotted two drawings that I thought I needed to check out. The drawings are labelled "the Earth's Atmosphere: Ionospheric Sq-Currents" and "On the Earth's Surface: Telluric Currents" and are located just over half way down the page. The Need For a New Model of the Earth The Living and Dynamic Earth

I cannot consider this a reliable source so I need to check it out but ill describe what caught my eye

There are four main circles that centre at about 25 degrees north and four main circles that centre about 25 degrees south that are thousands of miles in diameter. It is interesting to note that the same pastern occurs in the ionosphere although they are not directly above the circles on the earth.

Im trying to use only peer reviewed articles so as to filter out things that are not provable. Its probably a wild goose chase but it will give me something to do

[jettis]

What is free energy???

What is free energy??? This is free energy!

I have proven this concept on the bench and it in fact does work, if you want energy amplification that is.
Thomas Bearden has stated or hinted at the fact the modern electrical community has failed to realize or suppressed the knowledge that energy can be used more than once in a system, as it can neither be created or destroyed, we are free to use multiple pass techniques if we can find such a way to do it efficiently.

-Dave Wing

[mbrownn]

What is free energy??? This is free energy!

I have proven this concept on the bench and it in fact does work, if you want energy amplification that is.
Thomas Bearden has stated or hinted at the fact the modern electrical community has failed to realize or suppressed the knowledge that energy can be used more than once in a system, as it can neither be created or destroyed, we are free to use multiple pass techniques if we can find such a way to do it efficiently.

-Dave Wing

I totally agree that current can be used more than once. we get exactly the same amount of current in the return wire as we get in the supply so no current has been consumed. After our current has performed a primary function there is no reason it cant perform a secondary. Resistance is our enemy in this case as it produces the loss.

Magnetism can also be used multiple times too. I have built a motor that uses magnetic flux in series to perform the functions of a transformer, motor and generator at the same time. This means that we only have one resistive loss and one iron loss for three functions. The primary coil of the transformer is also the field coil and armature of the motor. The armature generates current in the secondary coil too. In this case we get current produced by the transformer, the generator and mechanical power. Very low resistance coils are needed. Its a work in progress

[jettis]

I totally agree that current can be used more than once. we get exactly the same amount of current in the return wire as we get in the supply so no current has been consumed. After our current has performed a primary function there is no reason it cant perform a secondary. Resistance is our enemy in this case as it produces the loss.

Magnetism can also be used multiple times too. I have built a motor that uses magnetic flux in series to perform the functions of a transformer, motor and generator at the same time. This means that we only have one resistive loss and one iron loss for three functions. The primary coil of the transformer is also the field coil and armature of the motor. The armature generates current in the secondary coil too. In this case we get current produced by the transformer, the generator and mechanical power. Very low resistance coils are needed. Its a work in progress

That is very interesting... "Magnetism can also be used multiple times too." I would like reason with that concept for a while. Thanks for your input.

-Dave Wing

[jettis]

Hi all,

I thought this configuration was special but after some more testing with capacitors in place of the midsection batteries and finally just straight hooking the motors between the high voltage and low voltage sources it turns out to just be a series motor configuration with recovery to the small side battery. It is all in the name of learning and trying to learn about this tech. Perhaps I should learn to tone down the names of my threads.

If anyone has tried this let me know if you have found the same results as I have. Sorry about the confusion.

-Dave Wing

[mbrownn]

That is very interesting... "Magnetism can also be used multiple times too." I would like reason with that concept for a while. Thanks for your input.

-Dave Wing

Imagine a Toroid, wind a primary on the left quadrant and a secondary on the right quadrant and you have a transformer. Now split the toroid at either the top and the bottom and place an armature in the gap. wire the armature so it is in attraction so that the flux remains in the magnetic circuit. Now you have a transformer and motor working for the same input as the transformer but using using the same core, current and flux.

Drawing more current from the secondary causes the armature to accelerate producing more torque. Acceleration under load???

The air gaps cause some losses but typically we get 80% efficiency from a transformer and 35 to 50% from a motor. There is more but we need a new thread to discuss it.

[Ernst]

@jettis,

Either you or Tom B. missed a point somewhere. Look at your drawing.
Motor 1 uses energy, on this we agree. There is 12V across it and there is a current flowing, roughly stated P (Watt) =V (Volt) I (Amp), and E (Joule) = P (Watt) t (sec).

Motor 2 gets its current from motor 1. Assuming they are all identical motors and identically loaded, all current from M1 goes to M2 and none is flowing into or out of the second battery stack. So we can remove this second battery stack without any change to the electrical system.

For the same reason all other battery stacks can be removed as they do not perform any function. Now, after having removed all redundancy, we can clearly see what is happening.
The 60V battery stack runs 5 12V motors in series.
Suppose 1 Amp flows, then 60V * 1 Amp = 60 Watts are spent from the batteries and every motor gets 12V * 1 A = 12 W. 5 motors taking 12 W, consume 5 * 12 W = 60 W.

Think again.



Ernst.

[wayne.ct]

Atmospheric energy

Interesting because you have attempted to control what you collect with the 555 timer. I don't expect you will get a lot with 10 yards and only one wire. I was able to get 50v into a 63uF cap with a lightening conductor on a church in a matter of 20 mins or so. The copper strip had corroded away at ground level leaving the rest more or less intact. If the conductor had been isolated from the building I suspect the voltage could have been higher and would have charged faster. I guess the church was 50 to 60m high.
What sort of output do you get?
Have you looked at it on a scope?

I am specifically NOT controlling what I collect using the 555 timer in the simplified design that I outlined. Control is implemented using a control structure that I specifically omitted from my description. The purpose of the timer is to convert DC to AC so I can lower the voltage and step up the current.

In a "typical" antenna situation, you are collecting radio waves which is AC. In that situation, it would make sense to look at the voltage or current over some period of time using a scope. The purpose of my design is to "sample" the potential difference at an altitude compared to the potential of the ground. This voltage has daily and seasonal variations and also changes with the weather. The appropriate tool for measuring this would be a data logger that collects the potential difference (measured in volts) over the course of a year. For proof of concept purposes, all you need to do is measure the number of amps that you might collect at any moment of time given your experimental arrangement. For experimental purposes you could vary, for example, the height of your antenna and try to relate the results to the height. For example, it has been reported historically to be as high as 300 volts per meter at several various levels of current from 10^-9 amps on up.

I have some ideas I plan to test. Perhaps I will post some links.

[Ernst]

On atmospheric electricity, look here:

Ion Power Group LLC

(there is room for improvement, though )



Ernst.

[jettis]

@jettis,

Either you or Tom B. missed a point somewhere. Look at your drawing.
Motor 1 uses energy, on this we agree. There is 12V across it and there is a current flowing, roughly stated P (Watt) =V (Volt) I (Amp), and E (Joule) = P (Watt) t (sec).

Motor 2 gets its current from motor 1. Assuming they are all identical motors and identically loaded, all current from M1 goes to M2 and none is flowing into or out of the second battery stack. So we can remove this second battery stack without any change to the electrical system.

For the same reason all other battery stacks can be removed as they do not perform any function. Now, after having removed all redundancy, we can clearly see what is happening.
The 60V battery stack runs 5 12V motors in series.
Suppose 1 Amp flows, then 60V * 1 Amp = 60 Watts are spent from the batteries and every motor gets 12V * 1 A = 12 W. 5 motors taking 12 W, consume 5 * 12 W = 60 W.

Think again.



Ernst.

Hi Ernst.

Simple basic electrical question... When taking current flow from the 60volt side to run the motor... Which flow path is the path of least resistance? The series electric motors at 3 ohm's (1 ohm for each series motor) or the .092 ohm (.0023ohm's per battery) 48 volt battery bank?

-Dave Wing

[Ernst]

Hi Dave.

Simple basic electrical answer...
If you think a 48V battery stack can be compared to a 0.092 Ohm resistor, put 1 V across it and explain why you don't see 10.87 Amp flow into it.

BTW, electricity does not simply follow the path of the least resistance. It follows every path in accordance with the law of Ohm.



Ernst.

[mbrownn]

I am specifically NOT controlling what I collect using the 555 timer in the simplified design that I outlined. Control is implemented using a control structure that I specifically omitted from my description. The purpose of the timer is to convert DC to AC so I can lower the voltage and step up the current.

In a "typical" antenna situation, you are collecting radio waves which is AC. In that situation, it would make sense to look at the voltage or current over some period of time using a scope. The purpose of my design is to "sample" the potential difference at an altitude compared to the potential of the ground. This voltage has daily and seasonal variations and also changes with the weather. The appropriate tool for measuring this would be a data logger that collects the potential difference (measured in volts) over the course of a year. For proof of concept purposes, all you need to do is measure the number of amps that you might collect at any moment of time given your experimental arrangement. For experimental purposes you could vary, for example, the height of your antenna and try to relate the results to the height. For example, it has been reported historically to be as high as 300 volts per meter at several various levels of current from 10^-9 amps on up.

I have some ideas I plan to test. Perhaps I will post some links.

I thought your description sounded a little simple hehehe

I think the radio waves are something we are not so interested in although we will happily collect the power from them for free. The other stuff, call it background noise if you like, is more interesting.

My setup at the church was an opportunist thing, I spotted the broken lightning conductor, and so came back the next day with an assortment of diodes, capacitors and a meter. I got a few confused looks from passers by and was also asked if I was looking for white ladies (a term used for ghosts here).

The point was that I was able to reach a higher voltage and get there much faster than a horizontal wire which I found interesting although the thickness of the conductor was much bigger than any wire I had used. I have never seen anything as high as 300v per meter.

Weather conditions do make a lot of difference and I have seen voltages fall in high humidity and raise sharply as thunder clouds move in. I have never seen much current.

Putting a scope on my long wire I was able to see clearly the 60hz power but not much more until I got to the KHz range and the frequencies went up and above what my scope could measure. Moving close to the wire increased the amplitude of this noise but placing a barrel of water there didnt. Not very scientific im afraid, but still interesting. What all that noise was I cant say and it was generally it was in the uV to mV range so probably radio. Distant lightning strikes could just about be detected although it was usually so faint on the CRT scope that I have no Idea how high the voltages were.

One of my favourite tricks was collecting energy from the nearby power cables I knew they were the source because the closer I got to them the more the 60Hz signal grew and by completing the circuit to the end of my long wire I could collect about 80mA at 6v although the voltage could go as high as 60v