Mostly Permanent Magnet Motor with minimal Input Power

[rave154]

Thanks GOTO, makes sense,

any thoughts/ideas on the general overview of how your generator will be constructed yet?

[gotoluc]

Yes it will get done but nothing was done today as I spent all day on rebuilding the alternator of my old car.

Hope nothing else brakes down so I can start.

Luc

[gotoluc]

GOTO,

i just dug this out of my pile of circuits that i have come across during my travels,

if you need the bigger version of the picture to read properly , let me know and i will email it to you.

David. D

Hi David,

I forgot to ask you to email me your large version at [email protected]

Thanks for finding and posting this

Luc

[wings]

GOTO,

i just dug this out of my pile of circuits that i have come across during my travels,

if you need the bigger version of the picture to read properly , let me know and i will email it to you.

btw, on the USB lead to my scope, on the end that plugs into the PC there are two USB plugs, a red one and a black one.... which do you use?

David. D

see the Garry Stanley old pages

http://web.archive.org/web/20070614070723/http://www.cable.net.nz/ou/

Looking through the

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, funny you mention Garry Stanley as I was going to mention his work. I some time ago built one of his designs with the dual rotor neos sandwiching the coils and it performed very well.
peace love light
Tyson

[wings]

Hi folks, funny you mention Garry Stanley as I was going to mention his work. I some time ago built one of his designs with the dual rotor neos sandwiching the coils and it performed very well.
peace love light
Tyson

also here:
Garry Stanley 2 flat flipped coils motor

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone,

I just uploaded a new video to compare the difference between magnets passing in front of a coil (standard generator coil) compared to passing on the side of the coil. I decided to use the test apparatus I already had instead of investing more time and money before we know if there are any advantages. Can someone that is good in calculating AC power please write down the numbers from the video and do the calculations as I don't know how with AC.

Also, keep in mind that the sideways coil test could be double the output if we had magnet running on the other side of the coil. This needs to be considered since in the standard generator coil test they were hitting each sides of the coil.

I will make another video to test the double coil configuration to see if this gives an advantage.

Link to Video: YouTube - Generator Coil test 3

Luc

[rave154]

Nice test setup LUC, i like the way youve "standardised" as much as possible to give a fair comparison along the line, saves a bunch on testing.

Just like you however, im always a bit confused with AC power calcs so hopefully someone will come along and do the numbers.

Are you going to do the coil-sideways test again...but using the 2 coils side by side & flipped, like you did by hand but using the motor?

David. D

[cody]

Nice setup luc!

Sorry i cant help with the calculations. But there is one thing i wanted to comment on. I noticed you have been hooking your sideways coil up directly to the load. I dont know if you read the naudin link posted earlier, here it is in case you missed it.
The Mini-Romag explanation ?
I have been wondering about your wave form you have been getting. Naudins does not look like that, neither does mine. I think it may be because im using a monopole rotor, but Naudin said he was using an alternating rotor, so im not sure. Here is his wave and mine



My point to this whole discussion is that, according to naudin, you dont want to hook the coil straight up to a load. He says you should use a diode to collect only the reversing spike which according to him is a collapsing field, in which case would present no load on the motor. Just like a bedini motor uses a diode to collect the reversing spike. Here is a pic to show you where the collapsing part is that would be collected with a diode.

Not sure if you are interested in messing with that, but just wanted to make sure you were aware of it. You might have to make a monopole rotor just to get the wave, but i could be wrong there. Well, good luck, looking forward to see more stuff!

[gotoluc]

Thanks Cody for taking the time to share that ... yes I did miss it. I don't have a habit of reading others experiments or even worst reading a Patent . Most of the time I don't get it and or loose interest when reading. I'm Dyslexic but it's not as bad as it use to be or I got use to it.

Anyways, really appreciate you posting the core information ... I understand and will test this next. I would also think that the magnets would have to be set in monopole.

If only I would of known earlier since I had to re-epoxy all the magnets today because of bad epoxy quality used when I originally built this rotor.

Luc

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone,

here is the next video test 4 with the dual coil setup.

I don't know why I can't seem to get the results I had when I first found this effect and tested by holding the coils by hand.

Anyways, I'll try and retest in case I missed something ... let me know if you see something I missed.

Link to video: YouTube - Generator Coil test 4

Luc

[rave154]

LUC, a couple of points just to double check..

in the sideways test..are you absolutely SURE you had them wired the same as when you did it by hand? i know its easy to get confused and make an easy mistake ( ive done it plenty of times )

second, in the same test, were the coils held in place by a right angle steel bracket, im probably wrong but it sort of looked like that, and if thats the case then that would almost certainly interfer with the readings from the coil i would imagine.

Hope this helps,

David. D

[gotoluc]

Hi David,

I'm not sure ... the day I found it looked so easy and a few days later it's not the same.

Maybe I got my wires confused the first day and now I seeing the real results

Anyways, going to setup the magnet rotor as a monopole to test the collecting of collapsing field only.

Luc

[cody]

I tried collecting only the collapse but it seemed to me that there was still a little bit of drag. Maybe you will have better results. Naudin seems like a very intelligent guy with lots of equipment so i tend to trust his results over mine, but i dont know. Maybe i had something hooked up wrong. And i dont have as nice as a test rig as you have.

[rave154]

GOTO,

the only other thing i could think of to explain what you found was this...

baring in mind that doing it by hand you had a virtually Lenz free effect, then as far as size/strength of NEO used....the bigger the better....and....by hand you were using those quite large 2x2x1 inch neos....however....on the rotor...the magnets didnt seem very large at all......could this explain the poor generation?