Project Camelot / Dr. Brian O'Leary Presentation on F-E Suppression

[jibbguy]

The "fault" is theirs not ours

I hear what you are saying, and agree that full & open disclosure is always best... And safest in the long run.

But blaming the victims is not useful either. Let's look at it this way...

When a gunman comes up to you and says: "I will kill you unless you do this thing i want you to do".. Then, when the act is not done, says: "... You are forcing me to kill you".

Does the victim really have ANY blame there? Of course not. That is just the perpetrator trying to justify their sociopathic actions to themselves.

I realize that example is taking it quite far lol...

But i see this kind of fallacy all the time by FE skeptics and nay-sayers. We are blamed for "everything".. Like the corporate-owned mainstream media's silence and total black-out on F-E. Like there being hardly any verified working examples to easily point to. Like there being no open university studies proving most of these concepts.

Lol they are using the suppressors' own illegal tactics as weapons against us!

It is important to understand that WE ARE VICTIMS of these things, not the "perpetrators". THEY are the ones who black-out the national media on these topics, and only talk about the "charlatans" who are easily proved fake. THEY are the ones who keep it from text books and mainstream scientific discussion; insuring that those scientists who do dare to talk about it, have their careers ruined. THEY are the ones who suppress the legitimate F-E inventors via Patent "secretization" and other methods. THEY are the ones who use ILLEGAL extortion to threaten to end ALL funding, to stop Universities from studying these incredibly important topics.

Here it is in a nutshell:

WHY HAVE THERE BEEN NO OPEN AND PUBLISHED UNIVERSITY STUDIES ON STANLEY MEYER'S WORK???

In a "real" world, one that they want us to believe exists, would there not be multiple major Studies done on something that had the potential to quickly eliminate the use of fossil fuels forever? ... Of course there would be... Dozens.

It's not "our" fault, nor was it Stanley Meyer's fault. It is THEIR fault. And someday, if they do not soon change their ways and allow these things to come out, they will end up paying for it.

[jibbguy]

BTW, thanks, Matt. I appreciate your kind comments (and Tekstatic's too).

I hope to be worthy of them someday, lol.

I do have "The Facebook Free Energy Group" at

The Free Energy Facebook Group | Facebook

I would actually recommend joining "Facebook" or another similar one. You don't have to publish your real name. It has put me in direct contact with some real heavy hitters in this field, which is pretty cool for just a poor shlub sitting in front of a 'puter

The "social networking" sites like Facebook are growing exponentially. I was not interested at all in them for years; but am now glad i did once i realized all the possibilities they can provide.

There are Groups there for every conceivable topic (a few others on F-E there too), and you can start one yourself at any time.

- Steve Windisch / Jib

[Tecstatic]

Because if we take Arthur at his implied meaning in that interview, then somewhere there at "xxx.lanl.gov"; we could get lucky with a recipe for using Casmir effect ZPE to generate usable energy.

Tom Bearden: Energyfrom the vacuum: concepts and principles page 296
shows a principle.

I would actually recommend joining "Facebook" or another similar one. You don't have to publish your real name. It has put me in direct contact with some real heavy hitters in this field, which is pretty cool for just a poor shlub sitting in front of a 'puter

I will never ever use Facebook. To me it is a disgusting example of mass surveillance.
Imagine Facebook was a technology at hand in the early 1930'ties, and you lived in a country going to be occupied by Hitler....

We have not seen the last world war so far IMHO.

Please remember:
Do not consider anything, yes anything, private on a computer connected to the net.
It is piece of cake to associate your real name with the Facebook profile, piece of cake for those who wishes to. Every single file is an open book.

I have suffered from my ignorance regarding anonymous surfing. That cost me 2 months of hair ripping experience, because my computers got infected as fast as I could install them. This started 2 days after my 1-wire experiments was published on Panacea.

Today my Internet connection is filtered, eg. at home I can not log into ebay or Yahoo. If I go elsewhere with the portable, it works. If I try to log into Yahoo, I can just see the gaping security hole has been used to change my password behind my back. This is quite annoying at times.

After two months a friend gave me the solution. A specially crafted live CD running Kubuntu. All access on the net is by using this now. It is used in Thailand, Iran and other suppressing countries as a means for free surfing access to forbidden places.

If the surveillance zombies doing what they are paid to do, just could realize they are destroying the opportunities for their own children in the very end, then the special solution would not be necessary.

http://www.polippix.dk/

Nothing is free, the cost is reduced bandwidth. The advantage by this solution is you start with empty RAM each time you boot, no history log storytellers available.

The HW id of your net card is faked, and you get a new IP address at regular intervals (not your own IP, you can use Check and Map your Current IP address. to see your address). Remember to enable TOR at the lower right corner of the Firefox window before connecting the Ethernet wire or tuning on the wireless.

If you get infected you just reboot, thats a real time saver compared an OS reinstalll.

You just download the .iso file, burn it to a CD, put it in your computer and boot. Your hard disk is not touched unless you want to.

If you are paranoid, run it on a computer with at least 1G RAM and no hardisk, and use USB sticks to transport files.

Of cause this does not protect against plain stupidity in your actions revealing your identity.

This CD is very handsome, if you eg. are on the black list in Iran and want to communicate with family and friends abroad without compromising the "health" of your loved ones.

Eric

[jibbguy]

Those are great ideas.

But there is really nothing you can do to remain anonymous against government surveillance onthe internet. They already know who we are. What is of course worth worrying about is non-government peeps trying to steal from you, or with catching viruses.

There is no difference at Facebook if you don't give your name (and you don't have to), than here or any other public website. And those who belong to big cable or DSL services are especially susceptible to being serveiled by the government, swapping IP's with routers and such won't help you much there... It's still coming from the same physical location and they are wise to it.

Personally, i give my name because i have to in order to get stuff published But that is always a personal choice.

[Shamus]

Fear mongering?

@Matthew Jones: I take it as an affront to call telling the truth as "fear mongering". The answers have been published by the actors who are doing the dirty deeds; all it requires is the will to actually get the material and read it to verify it for yourself. But it's easier to call it "fear mongering" without any effort or research on your part. Fair enough.

There was a study done in the Soviet Union during the cold war on the psychological profiles of politicians in the west where they found that they shared the traits of psychopaths. They then looked at politicians in their own country and found the same traits, after which the research was abruptly brought to a halt. If I bash politicians it's only because they so richly deserve it; by their fruits you shall know them.

A major part of the problem with our world is that we don't understand psychopaths and we don't teach our children the danger represented by and manifest in such personalities. If we're going to really be in charge of our destinies then we need to get rid of the psychopaths who run the planet and we need to do it NOW. They have all the technology that we are struggling in our RE-search to uncover. It doesn't take a genius to realize that we're being kept in the dark when one looks back over the last 20 to 30 years at the gas mileage of the automobiles we are given, and that's just one example.

A really good book which discusses psychopaths and politics is Political Ponerology by Andrew M. Lobaczewski. Political Ponerology Home Well worth a read. (Disclaimer: I am not affiliated in any way, shape or form with Mr. Lobaczewski or Red Pill Press.)

@Steve: You're quite correct that we're not safe from government snooping, and joining Facebook (or somesuch) is probably not a big deal in the long run. For myself, I'd rather not let the control freaks who run the world know my personal business, which is what it comes down to for a majority of people. Facebook is a fascist control freak's dream come true, and you don't even have to coerce people to divulge their lives to you.

[witsend]

Nice Great find

Weird. The papers don't mention the "D-" part either. According to that wiki, it is an aspect of String Theory and is yet wholly theoretical. But these papers act & talk like it is already "proved". What does that mean, lol? I am not trusting wiki in this (or most things having to do with energy) to get it right.

Why should we bother with all this?

Because if we take Arthur at his implied meaning in that interview, then somewhere there at "xxx.lanl.gov"; we could get lucky with a recipe for using Casmir effect ZPE to generate usable energy.

I saw that the "xxx.lanl.gov archives" is actually a publication of Cornell U; not "Los Alamos National Labs" .

Jibbguy. I've only just seen your post here. The Casimir effect was hypothesised by Casimir post WW2 and was proven - experimentally on a small scale. Like you, most of my brain cells have been degraded by chlorine. In fact, the residual balance have been further stressed through copious exposure to nicotine and sundry other pollutants and yet others have been compromised by a constrained genetic aptitudes. And, come to think of it the, the balance are cascading into an early grave due to the pressures of age. This sort of best qualifies me to explain this effect in broad brushstroke and in words of 'short syllable'. The challenge is that it my explanation may thereby be off centre. Take it from whence it comes - being from the heart rather than from the head - and with the urgent proviso's that I usually swing 'off the mark' by some considerable latitude, then - for what it's worth - here's my best effort.

The proposal was made that amalgams of molecules and atoms would exercise a kind of 'polar' attraction or repulsion - suggesting that the result of 'attraction', being the one side of this argument, would then result in a material bonding of amalgams into solid amalgams. In effect - take two metals or somesuch - sufficiently close together - then they will 'stick like crazy' and with a grip that could exceed the gravitational force - and, I think, most forces short of the strong nuclear force. This attraction was proven experimentally - but within a really small sampling range.

The source of this polar attribute was required to satisfy the symmetries required by quantum physicists. The question was 'why' and 'where from'. Again - purely hypothesised - it was suggested that these fields were positioned outside of the atomic structure and that they were associated with some 'virtual particle' yet to be identified. Of interest is that it points to an 'energy' or 'force' not fully incorporated into mainstream theories - as any such effect would also result in a 'transfer of energy'. But in this instance it could not be determined with mainstream protocol associated with normal equations relating to energy.

Here's the point. The string theorists require the introduction of multi dimensions - usually also coupled to unique time frames. Quantum physicists require an explanation for this 'energetic' effect. Both imply the existence of yet another force - and both hint at this being 'manifest' in vacuum energy. And all this also and thereby, hints at the potential for exceeding unity if this abundant force can be localised and 'liberated' - so to speak. Does this 'ring a bell'? That's also our entire obsession. This strange 'alternate' science, indulged by the most of us in our eccentric forum collective - is also, in a curious way, the precise intuitive reach that is latterly crowding into quantum theorists with the urgency of Christopher Columbus sighting land at the end of a very long journey. Through the most of it he, like us - was 'at sea'.

I use this casimir effect 'writ large' as the foundation to my own model - for what it's worth - which is also why I'm so interested in its effects. My own 'take' is, needless to say, different and painfully simplistic - but I equate it entirely to a magnetic force. But that, in turn, is only half of Maxwell's argument.

[witsend]

Shamus - while I agree that there is a 'trend' in our politicians to to put self interest above the collective - I'm reluctant to concede - quite so broadly - that all are psychopaths. And, in my book, most generalisations tend to miss the mark by a fair wack. Think how politicians label us poor 'alternative thinkers'. The same excess of description - but more varied and more detrimental than any we've ever used against them. But I hear you. There are matters that require more accountability in mainstream - politically and scientifically. I think our social stresses will probably make this sooner rather than later. But, personally, I'd be sorry if this results in the same intolerance as has been evidenced by mainstream to our own efforts here. In any event. I agree. Accountability is long overdue. And this self serving self interest is compromising the interest of our entire planet. That, by any reckoning, is criminally negligent at its kindest description.

I'm still inclined to identify those in power who are not entirely self-serving. Hopefully this number will increase.

[Matthew Jones]

@Matthew Jones: I take it as an affront to call telling the truth as "fear mongering". The answers have been published by the actors who are doing the dirty deeds; all it requires is the will to actually get the material and read it to verify it for yourself. But it's easier to call it "fear mongering" without any effort or research on your part. Fair enough.

Obama's a world dominating psychopath...

This is a man who dedicated his life to legal representation for the poor and sick. An advocate for furthering people's right and equalities. And because he made quik work of climbing the political latter to try to make difference he is in bed with world dominating force of suppression.
GROW UP!!!SHAMUS...!!SHow me PROOF. Just him. Just his signatures on policy that suppress's people.
But the fact is you can't. You haven't read his legislative record, his Senate record, his books or anything. Your just spewing BS given to you by the group of people that always spews BS.
Its all a big conspiracy...
And personally I think the biggest problem you have with him is, And people like you never say it out loud. "We're scared of the scary Black Man".

Keep running scared then. Keep living in fear. Keep believing your right.And go live in a cave or somthing.

Me, I work towards change. Writing letters, making calls, orginizing local people, starting petitions, demanding information. And I don't fear live in feare of no man.

Ya'll don't make a difference with that BS, you just cause fear.

Matt

[jibbguy]

The Politics of Physics

Thanks for the explanations Rosemary. I have often wondered that Quantum and String theories still do not appear to me to answer completely the questions of "gravity" nor "magnetism"; nor even ZPE. Lol which is odd, considering they created theoretical entities to explain them (several kinds of exotic particles, strings, branes, fields, whatever).

So your Unifying Theory is just as good as theirs in my book

Why i thought it was odd for these Physicists in these Papers to talk about "branes" with such obvious confidence, is that there would seem to be no proof at all for their existence (since they were a theoretical construct); and String is still in it's "infancy" and not all that "universal" at all in thought... And although it was very popular for a few years there, it seems be waning now.

Maybe they just use the language of String to try and explain something for which there is no current outwardly known explanation, or maybe they are using it because they do "know" it or something similar exists from work that is not published openly.... Like perhaps that mysterious study done at Naval Post Graduate school at Monterrey that Arthur mentioned, or others we haven't discovered yet.

Of course there is the work of Dr. Turtur, and his little motor.. Which is quite recent. But there may well be Papers on practical uses of Casmir effect from years ago that need to be found yet.

Or maybe it is that Casmir effect is used by these Physicists who are in the "String" camp, as a method to try and "sell" String Theory... Since they seem to have an explanation for it that conventional science does not (and "Quantum" seems to mostly breeze over Casmir effect and ZPE too, from what i've seen). I don't understand enough about the academic world of Physics to know that answer.

But i certainly do see the Casmir phenomena called:

"Lorenz Violating"

all the time in the Papers there (which is another good "Search" parameter there BTW) meaning that ZPE clearly violates the currently accepted laws. Lol they admit it openly... Just haven't done anything at the top about it. That should have been big news, shouldn't it?

CNN Headline: "Currently Accepted Mainstream Physics Theories Proved Utterly False in 1949 Casmir Experiments"

hehehe.

The only thing i do know for sure (..because is it is true in Political circles as well), is this: Once they go around admitting their entire world-view is false, it makes it very difficult to deny & deride others'... So that does not ever happen willingly

[Shamus]

@Matthew: First off all, where did I say that Obama is a "world dominating psychopath"? Oh, that's right, I didn't. You're conveniently putting words into my mouth that I never said which is ridiculously dishonest. And this rhetoric of being afraid of the "scary black man" is downright offensive and racist. If that's the best you can do to answer critics then it shows that you really have nothing to say.

And with all due respect you would dismiss anything that I would find out of hand because it doesn't align with your world-view and your personal view of your "messiah". For example, the fact that he's broken every campaign promise he made probably doesn't matter to you because you've read books written by him and his supporters that says he dedicated his life to helping the poor and sick. You're right, someone needs to grow up--take a look in the mirror!

Did you even take a look (for a small example) at the David Icke article on Obama? I would guess the answer is no, because you don't want to challenge your world view.

By the way, Barack Obama is a member in good standing of the Council on Foreign Relations. That is an undisputed FACT. And you can't join that illustrious organization; you have to be invited to join. This idea that he's a little man from out of nowhere coming to help the little man everywhere is nonsense.

Again, I stand by my words, and TELLING THE TRUTH IS NOT FEAR MONGERING, no matter how much you want to be. A little honest research on your part will reveal this to you in no uncertain terms. I don't fear Obama either, but I don't have my eyes closed to the bad things that he and his representatives are doing.

It's like someone's on a street corner of a busy intersection saying, "Don't stand in the middle of the street, you might get hurt!" To you, that's FEAR MONGERING.

@Rosemary: As with anything, it's your choice to look at things that way. But have you done any research into political evil? If you really want to see what the self-styled world rulers have in store for us, you should look at the UN's "Agenda for the 21st Century" and "Codex Alimentarius". No, I have absolutely no confidence in "our" rulers.

[jibbguy]

As Dr. Jack Sarfatti tells it

Here is a decent layman's explanation of "ZPE", and dark energy and dark matter as well, by Dr. Jack Sarfatti (stated in his opinion, anyway ). Part one of the series, which is worth listening to in its entirety if not yet familiar with his work:

YouTube - Further Conversations With Dr. Jack Sarfatti -- 3/18/09 -- Pt1

He linking another new Paper today from xxx.lanl on Facebook, regarding "Quantum Teleportation" of energy:

http://xxx.lanl.gov/ftp/arxiv/papers/0908/0908.2674.pdf

[witsend]

Jibbguy - just out of interest. Both groups - quantum and string theorists are looking for a particle. They're building or adding to an accelerator plant to test the thesis. I think soon. Maybe next year. It's the missing link.

And String theorists literally envisage strings - no given upper limit to its length but an actual miniscule width. Their hypotheses, apparently, are based on some exotic mathematics - which is entirely outside of anything most mathematicians can understand. Needless to say I can't understand most mathematics so it's entirely outside of my field of comprehension - except conceptually. And they've got the edge. They've been able to reach the elusive unification of everything.

Regarding my own theory being 'as good'. I'm inclined to agree with you. In fact I'm inclined to think that it's better. But I'm in a minority of one, unless, with your support - maybe two. Still every movement has a modest first step and two is better than 1 and 1 better than none. So. There's the optimist in me. But I take it in good faith that you haven't tried to wrap your mind around my model. Please don't - else I think I'll even lose your support.

And Shamus. I do not know nearly enough about our politicians. But let me indulge my hopes with Obama - please. It's the first time since Mandela came to power that I look to a leader and feel comfortable. I'm not sure that I could manage any more cynicism. I clearly do not have yours or Jibbguy's 'toughness'.

EDIT. Many thanks for the links Jibbguy. I'm going to watch them and then crash. I'm exhausted. Have now been awake for about 21 hours on the trot.

[witsend]

Jibbguy - I saw the video on Scarfatti and looked at the whole list on the link. You'll note he references the search for a particle - they're actually looking for a particular boson - Big - which may fit but have never found one except theoretically. He also references the particle speed at light speed and he suggests a certain amount of 'chaos' in the 'vacuum'. Those are the points where my little model is in diametric contradiction. I propose a really orderly field with a particle that is very very small and thereby undectable unless they are 'forced' into slower speeds through 'broken symmetries'. My little 'background' number is what I call a zipon. 2c (twice light speed) magnetic dipoles with half the mass (in this case I'm referencing volume) of a photon.

With this postulate I can actually match the mass/size ratio of the proton to the electron by proposing that all particles are composites of these zipons. But, like I say - I've got a talent for being wrong. By the way I also think that the universe is a closed system so I don't buy into 'expansion' theories. I believe an expanding universe is contradicted by the evidence of galaxial collisions which are evident.

[jibbguy]

Very interesting... thx for sharing that I remember reading about the Zipons and thought they "made sense" (lol as much as Physics can to me ).

Dr. Sarfatti is also big into postulating how UFO's are powered. His theories are very controversial, and they also take on human consciousness and reality. here is an example if one of his more far-out Papers:

http://www.qedcorp.com/pdf/PQM1.pdf

[witsend]

Jibbguy - WOW. That's science at it's most obtuse. Way over my head but I am, nonetheless, going to try and wrap my mind around the concepts.

First read seems to give some scientific justification for mind giving effect to matter. I love his eclectic references. You find such interesting 'stuff'. I hope I'll get more facility with google before senility kicks in in earnest. There's just so much out there.